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1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2

07-02-2010 , 09:23 AM
SB (101)--------------- new, fairly tight, seems inexperienced
BB (200)--------------- tag who plays very ABC
Hero - MP1 - (220)
Button (300) ----------- major calling station but only when hits any part of flop

Hero limps A9, Button limps, SB limps, BB check

Pot (8)--Flop: A39
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Pot (8)--Turn: 6
SB bets 6, BB calls 6, Hero raises to 26, Button folds, SB calls 20, BB folds

Pot (60)--River: 7
SB goes all in 73, Hero ??


The reason I limped preflop was that this table was crazy aggressive and normally on a table like this when I limp early with a hand such as this that is good in multiway pots, everyone just follows me like sheep and starts limping in.

Please tell me how I could've played the whole hand better (including preflop)

Thanks
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 10:30 AM
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Please tell me how I could've played the whole hand better (including preflop)
I think preflop is fine. Limping with suited Aces (< A10) is standard for me. On the other hand, BET. THE. FLOP. People will call with any ace and some 9's. You want to start building a pot now. At least you raised the turn. As for the river, it could be a straight, it could be a worse two pair. My gut tells me it's a straight but I think you'll see A7, 97, 76 often enough to make this a call.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 10:34 AM
How is the table aggressive if they always just limp in after your limp? I think I'd raise here pf when first in, this hand is fine to overlimp a bunch of limpers but I'd almost always open for a raise here. If u open for $8 and get the same 3 callers u know have a pot of $32, on the flop u could bet $18 and if called have most likely set yourself up to win a nice pot. As played on the flop I'd probably bet cuz there is only one person left to act and he's a calling station who prolly won't bet but will call and with top two u gotta start building a pot, if no one has anything then your gonna win a small pot.
Anyone with a ace is calling as well as most players with a 9 or gs wheel draw. On the river I'm calling here, villian will often show up with a smaller 2 pair often enough, if he rivered the gs or has a set I'm probably gonna pay him off, especially a new inexperienced player who may overvalue a big ace or a smaller 2 pair. I'd like to here if others agree with my thinking here.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 11:19 AM
he is probably not bett calling the turn with a T8 gutshot so snap call imo

if it's a set it's a cooler
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 11:30 AM
He could have had 45 for the turned open ender.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 11:38 AM
good point that does change things

raise pre and bet flop I guess
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 12:53 PM
BET THE FLOP.

You really think the guy will call a big turn raise with an OESD? What does he do if he misses, just c/f? I guess the line of call turn/donk shove river makes more sense with a SD on the turn and hitting than a set or 2 pair (I suppose only A7 could work too).

I think it's probably either A7 or straight. So I suppose that it's a call because you're getting 1.9 to 1.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 03:08 PM
The reason I checked the flop was because it would've been hard for most of these guys to have hit something on that board given that I have top 2 and the board is soo dry. I normally give a free one in a hand like this because the SB and BB are folding pretty much anything on this flop if I bet except an Ace, and I wanted the Button to catch up since he was the biggest calling station on the table.

On wetter boards I take the line of bet, bet, bet though to get value from all sorts of draws.

Is this bad thinking?
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 03:22 PM
if you had air, you bet?
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by -Stuey-
The reason I checked the flop was because it would've been hard for most of these guys to have hit something on that board given that I have top 2 and the board is soo dry. I normally give a free one in a hand like this because the SB and BB are folding pretty much anything on this flop if I bet except an Ace, and I wanted the Button to catch up since he was the biggest calling station on the table.

On wetter boards I take the line of bet, bet, bet though to get value from all sorts of draws.

Is this bad thinking?
Yes. Quit slowplaying. Aggressive poker is winning poker.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 05:56 PM
Slowplay = play with poison. Example: SB has 66. With flop checked around, he has a freebie to a 2 outter monster stealth hand. OTOH, if you bet the flop, he really cannot call. It may look OK, but a slowplay here can open the door to an expensive hell. The 6 comes in and you are on the road to getting stacked.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 06:05 PM
Bet flop. SNAP river imo.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-02-2010 , 07:33 PM
Well I guess then betting flop next time in this situation is optimal since I will be giving myself a negative free roll against hands that nut up against me on the turn and also I'm losing out on a ton of value from hands that fish will just hold on to. Also, now that I think about it there aren't many turn cards that villains can catch that will allow me to win a huge pot. Stupid mistake by me.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-03-2010 , 09:25 AM
this is really close, however i say for villain to call the turn raise and lead river that more than not his is a case of villain not wanting to show too much strength on turn, but unwilling to check river (as so many donks do lol), so i fall over to the fold side. Its too many strong combos villain have ahead of us, vs the combos that villain helped with the 7.

Not betting this flop in this position is a Felony in Poker court too.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-03-2010 , 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by -Stuey-
SB (101)--------------- new, fairly tight, seems inexperienced
BB (200)--------------- tag who plays very ABC
Hero - MP1 - (220)
Button (300) ----------- major calling station but only when hits any part of flop

Hero limps A9, Button limps, SB limps, BB check

Pot (8)--Flop: A39
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Pot (8)--Turn: 6
SB bets 6, BB calls 6, Hero raises to 26, Button folds, SB calls 20, BB folds

Pot (60)--River: 7
SB goes all in 73, Hero ??


The reason I limped preflop was that this table was crazy aggressive and normally on a table like this when I limp early with a hand such as this that is good in multiway pots, everyone just follows me like sheep and starts limping in.

Please tell me how I could've played the whole hand better (including preflop)

Thanks

Why check the flop with T2P?
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-03-2010 , 05:52 PM
The thing I failed to mention is that I have a fairly tight image at the table (not that image matters at this level) but they will definitely notice it if I come out firing. Should I worry about losing my action based on my image or just play straight up?

Last edited by -Stuey-; 07-03-2010 at 06:08 PM.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote
07-03-2010 , 06:09 PM
Bet the flop.

River is an obvious call as played, he's shoving 36.5xBB and we have top 2, if we lose so be it but folding would be excessively weak.
1/2nl facing shove on river with Top 2 Quote

      
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