Live $1/2 NL, full table 10 players. Standard PF raises at this table are usually $8 or $10, sometimes $12. Anything bigger is fairly significant.

Villian 1: SB, stack ~$230. Mid-30's white guy, looks European. Have only played with him maybe once before and a little bit this session. Impression is that he is at least a fairly solid player, able to think a bit.

Villian 2: BB, stack ~150. Asian guy, maybe also mid-30's. I've definitely played with him at least once before and think he is somewhat Loose-Aggro.

Hero: HJ seat, stack $225. Mid-30's white guy. Been at this table for a couple hours. I'm definitely not viewed as Loose or overly aggro. Probably image is somewhat tight.

The Hand:
Folds around to Hero, who finds black 10 10 in the HiJack seat. Hero raises to $10, CO folds, BTN folds. Villain 1 calls and Villain 2 calls.


Flop:
The flop comes KJ10. Oh my. Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 bets $20 without much hesitation. Hero?

Hero makes it $80 and straps his seat belt on.

I raise to 60, but any reasonable size will allow an easy shove.

I make it 60 to go. Call any shove. Villain only has 120 left. Don't want to make the sizing to big to scare him off his tp/combo draw/draw.

Thanks for the replies!

For the sake of debate and since everyone has said "raise", is there ANY merit to flatting here? Not because I would slow-play it on that crazy wet board, but to be cautious in case already behind?

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Are you going to flat all the way to the river and fold if the board doesn't pair?

Or are you raising and getting it in ott?

Based on stack sizes, raise here, then get it in on the flop (if 3-bet shoved on) or on the turn assuming it isn't the Ah, Qh, or 9h. Good luck at the river, since a loose Asian guy with this board is guaranteed to win about 96.4% of the time against TT regardless of what he has.

I would make a pot-sized raise to $90.

NO; not at llsnl. Villains are sticky when they donk these boards in general and there are plenty worse hands and drawing hands that wont fold. If your behind you almost certainly have 2 streets to catchup. Shovel the money in as fast as possible. This is very standard and the stack sizes make you print money everytime in this spot so long as you put in a 3-4x raise

Where's the tricky spot at? Easy raise and get it in. Sometimes you're losing and then oh well. But there are just way too many 2pr/big draws that you have great equity against to not raise and get it in here.

Op must have gotten coolered on this flop and is questioning his raise/call line

lol no sorry I was gone from the house for a few hours, haven't had a chance to keep this going. Allow me to continue...

Live $1/2 NL, full table 10 players. Standard PF raises at this table are usually $8 or $10, sometimes $12. Anything bigger is fairly significant.

Villian 1: SB, stack ~$230. Mid-30's white guy, looks European. Have only played with him maybe once before and a little bit this session. Impression is that he is at least a fairly solid player, able to think a bit.

Villian 2: BB, stack ~150. Asian guy, maybe also mid-30's. I've definitely played with him at least once before and think he is somewhat Loose-Aggro.

Hero: HJ seat, stack $225. Mid-30's white guy. Been at this table for a couple hours. I'm definitely not viewed as Loose or overly aggro. Probably image is somewhat tight.

The Hand:
Folds around to Hero, who finds black 10 10 in the HiJack seat. Hero raises to $10, CO folds, BTN folds. Villain 1 calls and Villain 2 calls.


Flop:
The flop comes KJ10. Oh my. Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 bets $20 without much hesitation. Hero raises to $70. Villain 1 tanks a little, then shoves all-in. Villain 2 goes into the tank briefly, moans to himself and tosses it away.

Hero?

v1 shoving makes this a fairly legitimate dicussion, calling $150 more after investing $80 makes me hate folding since his range is likely something like AQ, Q9, KJ, AJhh, QJhh, JT, K10, JJ, AXhh.

We are beat by 2-3 hands only (assuming he flats JJ pre) with equity in decent shape given there is 2 streets to hit 10 outs when we are coolered. Still call

Thanks for this reply, ur posts are always informative!
From even the posts above, it sounds like evryone is in favor of the raise and then get it all in.

However....Hero tanks, and folds.

I thought that, as at least a somewhat thinking player, he would figure that to make that raise on that wet of a board, I had at least a set.

However, I also admit I am learning and have a long way to go. I'm not a consistently winning player yet.

I realize I had a large portion of my chips already in there. I tanked for awhile on it. After the fold, he flipped over KJo for top 2. Asian guy said he had AK.

Holy......

You have bottom set... with redraw outs even if you are beat.

And most of the time they show up with AK, even AA, QQ whatever.

Sorry, but worst fold ever.

Ugh. Against a thinking player on this sopping wet board, you can't fold. He'll jam lots of big-equity hands (pr + SD, pr + FD, SFD) that you're still ahead of.

Plus, he might have as little as TPTK and put you on a combo draw.

PS you posted results way too soon.

Do you have pokerstove?

You should probably get it because it is free. http://www.pokerstove.com/

You can see that this is a pretty clear call.

You should not get in the habit of folding sets on the flop.

Oy your fold sucked. Sooooo often a guy has KJ, AK, KQ, etc. here. AQ or Q9 or JJ are total coolers. Think of it this way--you only need to be good 1/3 of the time to make this call. You have to be good at least that often against 99.99% of 1/2 players.

Its fine to post the results this soon for these types of hands IMO. I don't think there was anybody reasonably saying that this is a fold. Even after the shove this is not a tough spot IMO. Live players are always jamming 2p here. That plus all the big draws and pair+draws put us way ahead of his range.

I'm curious what people think of Villain1's line in this hand? Cold-call an LP raise with KJo in the SB, then check-shove on a two-toned, draw-heavy board. I'm trying to think of where I would play it differently (if anywhere) if I were him.

When Villain check/raise shoves, it's ugly for you and you're beat somewhat often, but, you're not folding after investing $80 of a $225 stack. Get it in, take your lumps if you're beat.

I am going with the consensus. Hopefully your post and exposure to the responses will improve your play.

Even without the STOVE, remember that you have 7 outs to boat on the turn and 10 on the river. Get it in and look at 2 cards. So many people shove with 2 pair that you cannot fold a set. Also remember how many people will shove the flush draw here.

You will make up getting coolered by the times you cooler others. Don't let potential coolers effect your play.

Easy call on the flop. I think villain might even shove here because he has a pair or two pair, and is afraid of all the flush and straight draws.

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