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03-13-2016 , 10:17 AM
Hero (~$200) has been pretty card dead and played only one hand in the last couple of hours where he bluffed c/r all in a villain (who folded every single time in the session when he donked the river and got raised) and showed him King high.

Villain (~$200) [different than the villain that hero bluffed]] Not much of a read, he sat down 40 minutes ago, was short stacking, moved all in a few times and got no caller but tripled up with his last all in pre-flop with JJ.

1 limp, villain (UTG+4) makes it $5, 3 callers, hero makes it $30 from the big blind with AK, everybody folds except the villain. How is my sizing pre? Is it too big?

Flop ~$75
KQj

What should be our plan in this spot? Should we bet/fold? Villain most likely does not have JJ, KK, QQ or AA as he would raised them more preflop (the standard was 10-12 in the game).
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03-13-2016 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by aj3423
Villain ... tripled up with his last all in pre-flop with JJ.
^ Where do I find this game?

PF sizing is fine. OTF is WA/WB; I would just value bet small $40 and go to the felt with these stack sizes.
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03-13-2016 , 10:52 AM
$30 seems fine, maybe slightly bigger since we are going to be OOP.

Flop is pretty gross. I want to see a turn and a river, but if you get too much action you aren't going to be doing well. Lot of two pair combos even though we have blockers. Sets also in range.

I'd probably go right in the $45-$50 range with a bet here.
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03-13-2016 , 11:41 AM
Bet and fold to a raise (shove)?
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03-13-2016 , 11:58 AM
I am torn between betting $50 and gii or check/raising. If it checks through, easy bet on turn. Not 3betting, hitting this flop, and folding for 100bb.
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03-13-2016 , 12:08 PM
Pre is likely fine. I might go a bit bigger for value if we showed the bluff recently.

Bet/call. If he has no sets in his range we are getting the right price to call it off I believe.
$45 seems about right.
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03-13-2016 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by aj3423
Bet and fold to a raise (shove)?
Bet 50-60-cio

You should shy away from bet-f your equity this shallow with TPTK w some backdoor equity, so mostly bet vs a general unknown and choose an amount that makes for a clean call off. Youre probably flipping vs his gii range, but he can make a lot of calling mistakes as well.
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03-13-2016 , 02:58 PM
I understand since my hand is too strong this shallow I should probably go with my hand. If so should I bet or c/r? If villain had medium pocket pairs (except TT) and suited connectors (except 9T) he would not call any bet probably on the flop but might bluff once checked to him. I am also assuming he is betting/raising his stronger hands (straights, sets, two pairs and one pair + straight draws.)
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03-13-2016 , 03:07 PM
Bet 40, if called jam blank turns don't bet/fold the turn given stacks thus the jam, it's w/e bet/folding the flop it is fine i guess.

Don't think we should ever have a checking range OTF in this spot vs. this type of villain (loose passive fish).
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03-13-2016 , 03:08 PM
It depends on how often he'll bet this flop with a worse hand? I'm fine cbetting and taking it down. Also, sometimes checking looks stronger than betting. What would you do with AA or KK?

My default here would be to bet.
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03-13-2016 , 03:10 PM
In all hosesty, the only hand that scares us a little bit on this flop is 9T. V's raise sizing in my experience is almost always smaller suited connectors, small pairs (55-88 most likely), or suited A-rag. We are clearly WA/WB with most combos being WA. There are many ways to play it, the safest is prob b/f $70.

As for pre, sizing looks good to me.
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03-13-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by aj3423
villain ... might bluff once checked to him. I am also assuming he is betting/raising his stronger hands (straights, sets, two pairs and one pair + straight draws.)
The reason you don't check is because it gives him additional options. Yeah, he might bluff with his 88, but seriously? Mostly what happens when you check is he checks back his weaker hands and bets his stronger, which is exactly what he should do.

If he is inclined to bluff, he may do it over your lead, anyway. Your lead gives him a bigger pot to bluff at ---> his bluff doesn't need as high a success %.
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03-13-2016 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
In all hosesty, the only hand that scares us a little bit on this flop is 9T. V's raise sizing in my experience is almost always smaller suited connectors, small pairs (55-88 most likely), or suited A-rag
I think that is the key thing here. Villain's preflop sizing is a pot juicing bet and that means we can largely discount sets and two pair. Normally this would be a gross flop in a 3 bet pot but in this case it should almost entirely miss villain's range. Hero only has one pair, SPR < 3 and this flop hits hero's 3 betting range hard so no point in trying to trap or slow play. Villain probably won't put any money in this pot unless he does beat hero or somehow has a pair+straight draw. So bet $40 and jam turn. I would say more but stacks are so short and the situation is so WA/WB that your really trying to entice hands like AQ and 99- into making bad calls and feeling committed on the turn.

The tricky point would be if villain jams flop. That is a tough call that hinges on what you think villain does with pair+draw. If you think villain is only raising with hands that beat hero then bet/fold is possible, if you think villain has any draws or bluffs then pot size + your chance of drawing out pretty much commits you to the pot.

In any case, preflop is fine out of the blinds once the $5 bet gets some calls. With AK OOP your happy to take the pot down preflop and if villains think you are squeezing they may call with hands that are crushed. The trick is being willing to just give up on the flop a fair portion of the time when called and you whiff the flop entirely. With a low SPR you are mostly either giving up or committed on the flop.
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03-13-2016 , 05:29 PM
After 3betting pre (I think the bet-sizing was very good), you have to follow up on this board since it hits your range pretty hard and misses his big time if we take anything from the bet-sizing. I like betting 2/3 pot on the turn and I'm pretty comfortable getting it in on the turn.
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