I thought I had it in there.

Turn action:
SB Me: $50
BB Villain: RR $100
EP Call $100
MP Fold
CO Call $100

They fold river out of turn.

I'm cool with preflop, but I play fairly passive preflop. Sure, 3betting preflop has immediate value cuz we got like the 4th best hand here (and we're way ahead of maniac's range), but all of that sorta becomes irrelevant (imo, anyways) after we've created a fairly bloated pot OOP vs what will most likely be a 3 or 4 way pot (i.e. which sets us up for not a good time postflop). So I think preflop is acceptable, especially with stack sizes (looks like we're only calling off < 5% of our stack here in a multiway pot).

Flop I'm fine with.

Turn I find hard. I don't think we're in a WA/WB situation because the pot is multi-way plus the board is drawy, so we've got a huge amount of combined outs against us (any K, any Q, and flush card, numerous 2 outers vs other pocket pairs, etc). On the other hand, I hate leading into maniacs cuz they tend to make our life tough for us. Against aggressive players, I tend to go into bluff catching mode and check/call; against passive more straightforward players, I might lean towards bet/fold. Facing a minraise is interesting; this is a place where I'd often minraise, and for those paying attention (man, I hope they don't catch on) this usually means I have a very mediocre hand (probably a pocket pair) and I'm trying to (a) fold a better hand or at the very least (b) get to showdown as cheap as possible.

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I was sure BB had at least an A, or 88, 66, however this particular guy isn't a sure caller with trip As. It is still a shove though, and I did shove it.

Dear Jebuz if he folded A6.............WOW just amazing hand on all parts.

Donk v donk action got to love it

BTW this whole hand tilts me.

yea 3 bet preflop is mandatory esp given that others are prob calling maniacs raises pretty widely so you can pick up some dead money and play the hand heads up vs crazy.

turn b/c is bad if you want to try to bet for value here because you think villains are bad enough to call with worse thatx fine but it should be b/f esp when solid player min raises here.

River is a non issue because you should always be getting the money in here and villain should never be folding.

haven't read spoiler yet...

villain has been showing you his hands, so i'm guessing you were friendly with him and "table buds" or whatever. do you think the minraise was his way of saying, dude -- i have the nuts ...like some kind of friendly message?

If live players are this bad as to do this then I see why online players are so much better.

Interesting min raise with weak hand. Sort of a blocking bet. I sure couldn't put this guy on that. Must be a very rare move. I see quite a few players min raise with ok hands because they think that is what you do, almost like limit, but these are very bad players, unlike villain.

I was thinking along the same lines as you, when I flatted PF. In retrospect, I don't think it's good. Heck, I had been waiting for hours for a hand worth playing with these guys, and then I'm passive when I get one. I want to get money in with JJ against OR's and callers' ranges. I'm out of position, and don't want to make a bad fold, or stick it in way behind on the flop. Best way to do this, is shove PF. If everyone calls, I still have a lot of equity. One caller, I'm probably miles ahead with dead money in there. No callers, pick up $60, with no showdown.

I'm leaning VERY heavily towards shoving.

+1

This is the worst mistake I've made in a live game in quite sometime, I think. The more I think about it, I'm pretty sure OR calls, and everyone else folds, which is ideal. Even if they all call, I've got by far the most equity.

I've played in wild games before. I've never seen anything like this one, and it really threw me off. I think I'll be better prepared next time.

I also think I was a little scared of losing big. Hard for me to admit this, and I don't generally have that problem. I play stakes I can afford, and am prepared to lose $300 or $400 if I get sucked out on in every big pot on the occasional night.

I could see myself losing $700 or $800 last night, putting $200 into 4 way pots, and losing all of them. I should have realized I was playing the equivalent of an aggressive, shallow stacked 2/5 game, and went home. Hard to do, when you see people trying so hard to throw money away.

Very humbling. I don't remember playing with scared money before, and I didn't realize it at the time.

Yeah, but not so fun, when I become one of the donks.

Did you actually see the A6 he said he had??

What are all the stack sizes? At least us and one other villain have stacks sizes over $430; I'm unclear as to the stack sizes of maniacs. A typical 3bet here would probably be to $100 - $120 range I'm guessing (due to being OOP and the number of coldcallers). If the maniacs only have about that much left, then I'm cool with the shove. Otherwise, if the maniacs also have as much chips as us then a shove is kinda meh, imo (i.e. typically only better hands are calling a 200 BB shove preflop, but I guess it depends on what type of maniacs we are up against).

There's nothing wrong with setmining / playing postflop poker.

Hmm. I don't think so. He had been beat up pretty badly, and was still down. I think he saw a chance to get even. Also, I'm friendly with everyone, and most people show me their cards, laydowns, bluffs, busted draws, everything. I will show them awful cards I fold PF, so it doesn't seem one way.

It is not uncommon for people to let me know they have me beat. Usually it is people who I've played with before, but not always. They almost always TELL me to fold, or not to bet. Discreetly if others are still in the hand.

Villain not only didn't give any overt warnings. He was completely expressionless, as he had been in every serious pot, unless he was goading a maniac into calling. If he wanted to get me out, he probably would have looked me in the eye and smiled, at least.

In that same session, I was warned off a hand by a lady I've played with a lot. She loves me, and hates to take my money, but cheerfully pays me off. I had AQ on a Q33 flop. Both maniacs, the woman and me were in the hand. Action PF, Flop and Turn.

On the river, we were heads up, I was first to act. I was thinking about betting, because she is a station, and her previous calls meant little, and she had not bet or raised. I figured her for Qx. She looked at me and said, "Don't bet, I have a 3." Then checked behind me and showed A3.

Then she said, "I didn't want your money, I wanted their money." Happens all the time, if you know how to treat people. They come to have fun and be social. Give em what they want! People who are jerks at the table really cost themselves.

Online is much tougher. Live 1/2 is equivalent to .01/.02 or .05/.10 max online, IMO. Especially once you learn to read people a little.

.10/.25 Rush on FullTilt is much tougher than live 1/2.

Mucked em face up, all the way into the chip tray. I think he was afraid of being humiliated if I tricked him into calling, and had AJ. Better to risk being bluffed, than be laughed at, which he would have, for 5 minutes. He is the type that wants everyone at the table to know how good he is. I think that's why he showed me his laydowns, besides my immense charm.

He was also down from other bad beats, and had been coming back. Sometimes when people are way down and get even or close to it, they are very afraid of getting stuck big again. It was also getting late, and the game could have broken up soon. He would have little time to make it all back. Better to lose $120, than $400.

The bad beats can also make someone expect that they will be sucked out on again. This was just more of the bad luck he had been having all night, no surprise. All of these things may have been factors.

How are youallowed to expose cards with 2 more players to go?

this is one of the things i LOVE about live poker.

i also like your play of turning one over. there are a lot of things you can do in that situation -- big pot, decision is on villain. sounds like you played this part of the hand perfectly.

3bet pre. Don't bet the turn. If you do bet the turn, and you don't take the pot down, you need to fold the river. your image is super solid, if one of them is putting money in against you it is with a strong hand.