Stacks
villain1
220-250
villain2
100
hero
250-270

hero just sat down for about 2 orbits, dont know much about these villains
hero before this hand already showed a decent amount of aggression
there was a straddle with 3 callers, hero from sb opened to 30 and took down the dead money about 22
1 orbit later......

hero is bb with KK
8 limpers
hero raises to 22
villain1 calls (HJ)
villain2 calls (sb)
when villain1 + villain2 calls, i immediately labeled them as stations/weak players

flop (pot about 78)
88J rainbow
best flop ever with overpair against these weak players
here villain1 gave me a tell he is going to bet the flop!!!

villain2 checks
hero..........checks!!!
villain1 bets 50!
villain1's range consists mostly of (JX, 910) and with a rare 8x hand sometimes
villain2 folds
hero check raises to 150
yes we are playing for stacks on this flop, villain1 did the work for us to help us get the stacks in
by check raising, in villain's eyes hero probably doesn't rep much
villain1 took a decent amount of time before calling

now his stack is down to 70ish

turn comes a 9
hero shoves
villain calls

rate hero's play
with such play do you think hero suffer from the FPS (fancy play syndrome)
normally hero would lead out
but with such read, hero couldn't give up the chance to play for stacks on the flop

usually i dont post such hands
but at showdown, the dealer said, wow that was weird!
but in my eyes, it looked perfectly normal

Why do you think the check/raise makes it look like you don't rep much? Looks to me that you've pretty much got your hand face up.

against regs, my hand is face up
against weaker/station players, they will just think i'm bluffing with ak or something because my play makes no sense to them

i rate your use of exclamation marks 5*!!!!!

however i think u should just bet bet bet

Your play here is fine. Given your description of Villains and the fact that you claim a tell gave you the impression that someone would bet the flop, and given the stack sizes, check/raising is fine. As a matter of fact, after the $50 bet by Villain, you should have simply check/raised all-in instead of $150 and leaving little behind.

I actually think leading a "safe" flop after making it $22 preflop over numerous limpers makes your hand MORE faceup as an overpair than check/raising does.

Given the way you describe the hand in your OP, I'm not really sure what your question is though.

+1

Personally I would just cbet this flop because I run a REALLY high cbet % at 1/2 but given your reads/situation craising all in here is fine. Tank for about 15 seconds then go all in.

Not a good spot to jam. The Vil you describe has a big hand almost always. The 2/3 pot bet he makes OTF is a bluff almost never (remember that type of Vil considers $50 a "really big bet"). What does he possibly take charge with multiway, apart from trip 8's?

I've been down this road many times before thinking the weak player will surely cower if I show a ton of strength. Esp if he is an older player, his $50 bet should set off alarm bells, not jumpstart you down the road to AI. Your read of Vil actually dictates the polar opposite course.

I agree with him. If you read on them that they are weak/stations and now all of a sudden firing out like that I would think he shows up with 8x, JJ, AJ, KJ and maybe QJ/J10 here. I think him looking to bet means he smashed it and then him firing at it like that imo means something big. I might call it if you think hes playing random Jx's and 910's but most of the time I think your smashed here. Go with your gut and make your lay down imo.

I like the play but I would have just shoved instead of bumping to $150

i dont mind shoving but it's alot easier for stations/weaker players to call 100 rather than 170
and when the turn comes, they will already feel pot commited
because it's easier to find a call with a smaller bet than a bigger one
and also by doing this i can also have cheaper bluffs in my range later on which saves 70$

Why is 8x hands rare when T9 is a big part of his range? Especially if the flop excited him enough that you picked up he was going to bet thats usually a big tell live that someone hit the flop hard. Atleast 78s and 89s should be in his range if you include T9, and tbh a lot of fish here would check with T9.

Hand looks pretty awful to me.

c/r turns your hand face up, wawb spot imo, easy to just call and let villain commit himself ott, fps, etc etc

The part that I don't understand about this post is mostly everything--op, are you trying to say that you had a soul-read on Vil that 1) he was overvaluing a pair of Jacks, and 2) you knew he was excited to throw down AI ?

Okay, if one of them bets, he has a really good hand.

Again, Vil is very excite!!!!

Darn right, he loves his hand!!!

I'm not sure that we're too often concerned with what "Vil projects Hero has" at 1/2 live.

Talking about the "read" that Vil was very excited and couldn't wait to bet ?

Did the dealer say it was weird bc he didn't know why you wanted to run Kings into trip 8's ?

the dealer probably thought it was weird because i played kk for stacks
he probably thought i had an 8 or something better becoz regs (nits) rarely play overpair for stacks

so you telling me to fold kk on such a good flop??
if you check/folding or bet/folding everytime on such flop it's very -ev

my read only tells me he was going to bet after looking at the flop
and to be honest most live donks dont play so straight with an 8
they mostly slow play(check or bet small) instead of betting so big
if he had made a smaller bet only then would i be in the check/calling/folding mode

not fold. you just baffled me by your excitement that Vil was so excited comments. if you had a read that Vil woefully overvalued his pair and that was why, then gg, nh. usually a gut-check spot when the weak/passive you describe is chomping at the bit...