New to table - been there for about 15 minutes so not too many reads yet. I'm up about 25BB from raising pre and c-betting and taking it down.

$300 - UTG+1 raises to $15
$200~ish mid position calls.
$250 - Hero decides to just call. QQ

Flop is A4Q
Pot $45~
UTG+1 checks
Mid position checks
Hero?

If I bet here I probably take it down a ton - as UTG never has a hand - and Mid position probably doesn't like his hand ether.

If I check I could potentially lose value to a draw or Ax

Would you bet or check here and why?


Edit - screwed up the hand - I didn't have Q of spades

Never check here, bet for value, build the pot. $30-$40 IMO.

LOL at checking back a wet flop like this. You don't have Q so you don't block flush draws. There's plenty of Ax hands/flush draws/gutshots/KK/JJ that will give you action. You're also setting up a bigger pot on the turn. If they fold whatever. They probably wouldn't have put much money in on the turn anyways. Your goal is to stack both of them, not to win a small or medium sized pot.

This. Sucks we may not get much out of flopping a set, but them's the breaks.

The pf raiser probably doesn't have much but that's out of our control. The guy in the middle can have plenty of broadway draws, flush draws, weak Ax, even the case queen and he'll c/c at least one street. Just bet.

Ya I bet $30 and they both folded. I was not happy with the results

Consider the flip side, though. If they had hands that couldn't call a position flop bet here, then what turn or river cards were going to get them to put significant cash in play?

-If they have pocket pairs, there are two cards in the deck which would give them a lower set. Yahtzee! But that'll only happen ~4% of the time.

-If they have gutshot draws, weak flush draws, or backdoor flush draws, they'll put significant money in play once they hit their hand. But they'll also beat you. And those outcomes are more likely than your opponents turning or rivering a lower set.

You have to bet this hand. Sometimes they don't have anything so they fold. That's poker.

Do you think one of them would have called a 3-bet? Say to $40?

3 bet pre. Flop is a must bet. Were trying to get stacks in.

When you flop middle set you got to know that you have the biggest money maker in NL. You will get action especially in a raised pot. You got to start betting at the flop no matter what. Never check because nobody knows you got a monster, so there's no point to hide or slow play. Just bet some amount to make sure you get called. Also don't worry about the flush draws because they have only 7 clean outs while you got 10 outs to crush any flush. The two of the flush cards will pair the board. So you want to encourage the flush draws to try to draw. Don't bet too much to blow them out of the pot. Bet in such a way as to get called. This is the way to make the absolute maximum profit with the flopped sets. The NL was not designed to make you comfortable a worry free. If the flush card comes out and the board doesn't pair you don't pay him off. But most of the time you will either win with the set of win his entire stack when he flushes and you boat-up. Else he's not getting pay on his flush.

Terrible results oriented thinking here. If I said a random UTG+1 raised and random MP calls, what is their range?

Probably half the hands you'd list would have an A.

What if you had KK on this flop with this action, would you still say this?

WP.

Don't be.

grunch: c-bet on the bigger side of your c-betting range

i was fully expecting this to be a hand with a Q high flop and no draws. but this is an A high two-tone flop. An A high flop is the best to continue with. and the draw makes it a mistake not too.

even it weren't a draw-y board... the mistake i sometimes find myself making when i hit a monster is playing TOO slow to keep people in the hand. you still need to build a pot. if you have a good read that others will fold to aggression... just c-bet on the lower end and hope they come along.

in this case almost any A will call you. and flush draws will likely call too. however, if you're not up against a flush draw, and another spade comes in your action will be even more dead than it is now. build a pot. getting a big pot once every 3 or 4 hands is better than getting tiny pots everytime (and sometimes letting them catch up and win)

if you check and they hit a gut shot with KJ, JT, KT, you get stacked. If you check and they have a FD, you lose a lot of value since they miss turn ~80% of the time.

Bet flop 100% of the time. Betting not just for value, but as a side benefit to protect your equity as well. If flop was something like Q62r, maybe even Q54r, then yes check flop. But this flop you HAVE to bet. Bet $30

What's your position? 3bet pre, bet flop when checked to, call when someone bets.

Would you be happier if you checked the flop and they made their hand on the turn? Then they bet out and you called hoping to boat the river....after missing the boat they bet 1/6 pot and you are forced to call getting such good odds. Be happy whenever you take a pot down especially on such a wet flop.

i'm last to act - cut off