Hello,
I just posted my first thread and got closed,,, someone told me I broke the rule..
I am trying to post this one close to others' and if you going to close this one again, please let me know where i can find rules how to post one. Thanks.

Table: 1-2 NL.
Hero(900).QdTd MP. TAG
Villain(250).(SB or BB). TAG but somewhat too tight...
Limpers till Turn.

I limped in by calling $2 BB. few limpers called. SB (TAG, Tight) raise to $15.
I call. 3 Limpers call.
Pot: $60.

(Villain usually raise that much with pocket pairs, and most of them has been AA, KK. )

Flop: 7d 2s Qc
SB Raise $15. I call. 3 Limpers all call
Pot: $120.

Turn: 7d 2s Qc Qs.
Villain raise $30. I call with little pause(action). others all fold.

Pot: $180.

River: 7d 2s Qc Qs Th (I rivered Full.)

Villain checks to me.
I took a moment to think, how much i can get the most from him. I tried to over bet, look like bluff, but the chips were so sticky and didn't come off, so i just grabbed one black chip and throw into the pot, recklessly.

Villain think for a moment. and folded.
and I showed my hand to the board. (this was the only one hand i showed out of 6hrs of session.)

Q1: Call on the flop was good decision, after i put him on AA, KK?
Q2: Call on the turn wasn't so great i guess, how differently could i have played, to look like bluff or maximize the value? (like i said above, i have been slow playing most of my hands for the night and just let others bet for us and i eat them so good. and this was because the table was little loose and didn't need to bet unless i have the nut or bluff)
Q3: on the river, should i have bet 1/4 of the pot for the value against TAG, Tight villain here? or how could i have played if i wanted to buy my over bet look bluff?

Thank you and let me know if i'm doing this wrong again....this is my second post and if i get closed again,,, idk what to do...

I think raise turn, if villain has AA or KK and is not a good hand reader he could put you on A 7 and even with AA or KK may not be able to fold before river. Also if one off your opponents misreads weakness someone could go for the squeeze in the wrong spot trying to pick up dead money.

OP, rules for forum are here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-asap-1031043/

As for your post: leave out the results in the future.

Pre: did you open limp, or overlimp? Overlimp is OK, but if you were the first one into the pot, I either fold here, or come in for a raise.

Flop: His bet is silly small, so there's no way I'm folding TP, even with a meh kicker. Raising here would be overplaying a weak hand, so I like the flat. Putting him on AA or KK is silly, since he bet 1/4 pot on a dry board. His range is much wider than this.

Turn: Flat here is silly if you really put him on an overpair. Raise it up and look to play for effective stacks. No offense, but how is your action in any way TAG? Also, this comment is not TAG: "i have been slow playing most of my hands for the night and just let others bet for us"

River: No, don't stupid bet it. The EV is much bigger with a bigger bet. His calling range is very inelastic, so get max value from the few hands that can call any real bet.

"No offense, but how is your action in any way TAG? Also, this comment is not TAG: "i have been slow playing most of my hands for the night and just let others bet for us""

gotcha,,I know, although I meant to play TAG, the table didn't help to do that, but the table helped me just win good money at the end. Thanks for your good point. I guess slow playing a lot is not going to make my table image TAG... guess i only went aggressive few times..Thanks,,

and i just limped the pot from EP,,, should have Overlimped..thanks for your comment.

raise at a usual weak 1-2 game

if its an action table all 3 options are fine

but at usual game where im the best player i raise q10s

i like your line tbh

bet 115 on river

that's what i thought so after that play,, should have raised the turn.. thanks man.

what is tbh?
so Over bet could have worked there, if i put him on what i thought he was?

to be honest

and no 115 is not an overbet, 2/3 pot sized bet is standard bet iMO, big enough for value and not too big to blow them off the hand

oh... i forgot that the pot size was $180,,,, thanks..

Tbh =to be honest

I think you should come in for a raise here or fold. I don't like hitting a flop you did in a limp pot and having a marginal hand in a family pot. A TAG player would raise or fold here. It's OK if you are going to play passive because of the whole table is passive I just don't like playing marginal hands like this without the lead in the hand.

Of course you turn and rivered the joint but what I would be asking myself if I were you is how are you playing this hand when it comes A - 7 or some other brick brick type turn and rivers?

thanks for your reply,,
I just wanted to tell you that i tried to play opposite side of the majority table image,,, some donks and lags bet for me all the time,,,and i agree that flop help me a lot that night!..
I started with $300 and walked out with $1,114. first time walking out with over a 1k,,

yes, and next time if i think i am on TAG mode,,i will raise or fold.
Thanks for your tip! i mean it.

FWIW (for what it's worth), it is OK to be passive sometimes. TPMK (top pair, meh kicker) is way to good to fold for 1/4 of a pot c-bet, and there is little point to raising it just because "that is what aggressive players do" when the flop is bone dry and a raise will only get called by hands that crush you.

That said, once it turns into trips, there are way fewer hands that crush you, and lots of hands that will continue if the player is bad and/or an unbeliever.

If the turn and river bricked out an the original raiser continued to make tiny bets we could
A) Just call for pot control and realize our SDV (show down value) against the 88-JJ and AK part of his range, while minimizing losses against the QQ-AA part of his range, or
B) Turn our hand into a bluff if we think he's weak-tight enough to fold an overpair to a turn or river raise.

A lot of this depends on how we weight his range of possible holdings. While OP put most of his range at KK and AA, I think this is very unlikely. An overpair from a tight TAG wouldn't often make this weak-ass c-bet into 4-Vs on a dry board. He'd either bet bigger for value, or just check it for pot control. This bet screams "maybe they all missed and checked the fold button." My range would be more heavily weighted to 88-JJ, especially after the turn barrel on the paired board.

Not sure you have the terminology right. An "overlimp" just means there was at least one limper before you limped. So you can't choose whether to limp or overlimp.

If the only chips in the pot are the blinds and you limp, that is what Garick is saying would likely be a mistake in this hand (you probably should have raised.) But if some player between the big blind and you has already limped, it is more acceptable for you to also limp, which would be referred to as an "overlimp" (again, because of the previous limper.)

I like a raise to $90 on the turn as it sets up an extremely easy river shove if called.

grunch (kind of): fold or raise pre, raise turn

aside from pre i think your line is ok. if you really narrowed him to a big pair you could probably get some value on the turn. wouldn't have gotten less than you did anyway since he c/f river. if villain was truly tag, just calling turn may have set you up for a bigger payoff on river... but his small bets are not tag. flop call is good. he bet ridiculously small, you have a vulnerable top pair so pot control is good. river bet is fine. could have gone more... closer to pot.

neither of you are tag

i like the part "neither of you are tag",,,,,,
it's hard to be or determine some one tag on 1-2, ..
Thanks for your comment!

lol. even tag's at 1-2 are usually not that tag. you have a good attitude. keep it up.

TAG means "tight aggressive"

Someone who's truly TAG will bet big hands pre-flop and follow up with strong bets on every street.
Limping with QT and calling a raise with it - definitely does not fit the description of TAG. It doesn't mean that it's wrong. It's just not TAG.

There's a great post in the "Best of" section about it...
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...image-1136787/