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1/2 nut flush draw + overs in a 7 players multiway raised pot 1/2 nut flush draw + overs in a 7 players multiway raised pot

04-10-2012 , 06:43 AM
10 max table with a lot of multiway pots (3 to 4 players) each hand
UTG ( bad LAG, stack 400) limps
UTG+1 ( marginnal winner TAG, stack 200 ) calls
MP1 ( good TAG who plays 2/4 has his main game, raising range from MP1 ATs+, AJo+, 88+, QKo+ (I saw him limp QJs in this position), had a WTF expression on his face when he saw all the table calling, stack 250) raise to 14 (his standard)
MP2 Hero ( winning TAG, stack 230 ) calls with AJ
MP3 ( recreational bad loose player, stack 120 ) calls
CO ( bad SLAG, stack 150 ) calls
BB ( ultra loose passive fish, stack 80 ) calls
UTG and UTG+1 call

flop ( 7 players, 99 pot)
T 6 2

all check to Hero. I think UTG and UTG+1 will x/r with a set more than using the bet/call flop, shove turn line. I don't know if MP1 (OR) will bet 100% of the time with his overpairs.

I will generally bet/call, shove any turn in a 3-4 players multiway pot or if I had a SPR of 1 with my nut flush draw + two overs + BD straight draw.

Listenning to Bart Hanson prenium podcast, I'm starting to think that a passive line (check/call) may be a good line to take in this spot with that much players even if I have a lot of equity vs villains' ranges.

In the same time, I have a good equity vs a overpair (45%), vs a set (25 %), and I crush a FD (around 80%) and the SPR is around 2 against half of the vilains and <2 against the rest.

What is your line is that spot and why ?
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04-10-2012 , 06:56 AM
I don't hate taking a free card here.
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04-10-2012 , 07:14 AM
I agree with a passive line in this spot.

The issues with this hand in this spot (7 players) are that

1) you have minimal FE, which is important to the value of big draws
2) you have less equity than you think and RIO if your overs are no good (ie, if someone has a set, AT,JT,etc)

You are best to win a big pot here by binking and over flushing someone and I don't think you need to build a pot in order to do that.
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04-10-2012 , 08:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar
I agree with a passive line in this spot.

The issues with this hand in this spot (7 players) are that

1) you have minimal FE, which is important to the value of big draws
2) you have less equity than you think and RIO if your overs are no good (ie, if someone has a set, AT,JT,etc)

You are best to win a big pot here by binking and over flushing someone and I don't think you need to build a pot in order to do that.
+1
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04-10-2012 , 02:25 PM
No comments on pre? You defined a really snug raiser and called with AJ. Sooted isn't as valuable when you're putting over 5% of your stack in pre plus the eff stack is likely to be low if all flops are 3 ways + with a lot of short stacked V.

Check flop. Given stack sizes, lot of the time you are going to face check/raise all in not check call here from villains.

Take your card and stack them once you actually hit seven ways. Someone will pay you.
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04-10-2012 , 02:41 PM
I should've read comments first.
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04-10-2012 , 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar
I agree with a passive line in this spot.

The issues with this hand in this spot (7 players) are that

1) you have minimal FE, which is important to the value of big draws
2) you have less equity than you think and RIO if your overs are no good (ie, if someone has a set, AT,JT,etc)

You are best to win a big pot here by binking and over flushing someone and I don't think you need to build a pot in order to do that.
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