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10-05-2010 , 03:11 PM
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villain 300
hero 750

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villain is a female, nitty preflop and as for postflop, she gets very aggro sometime
there was a time when she had ak
on flop kj5 with 2 hearts, 1 dude lead out for 20$, she instant shoves 200$+ in to a 40 pot
the dude that led out folded his top2 (kj) face up!! what a bad fold lol!

hero has a tight image somewhat aggro
hero gets A5
villain is utg limps
5 limpers
hero is on BTN raises to 10
5 callers

flop (60)
KJ2
villain donks out 20$
all fold to hero
hero makes it to 70$
villain instant shoved!!!

so question here is, should hero called instead of raising
yes hero forgot her aggro tendencies during the play and thought hero can see a free turn+river

hero is raising becoz it's the standard line to raise donk bets
lol, what a bad thought
raising against aggro nits = fatal death
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10-05-2010 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dangomango
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villain 300
hero 750

history
villain is a female, nitty preflop and as for postflop, she gets very aggro sometime
there was a time when she had ak
on flop kj5 with 2 hearts, 1 dude lead out for 20$, she instant shoves 200$+ in to a 40 pot

the dude that led out folded his top2 (kj) face up!! what a bad fold lol!

hero has a tight image somewhat aggro
hero gets A5
villain is utg limps
5 limpers
hero is on BTN raises to 10
5 callers

flop (60)
KJ2
villain donks out 20$
all fold to hero
hero makes it to 70$
villain instant shoved!!!

so question here is, should hero called instead of raising
yes hero forgot her aggro tendencies during the play and thought hero can see a free turn+river

hero is raising becoz it's the standard line to raise donk bets
lol, what a bad thought
raising against aggro nits = fatal death
Firstly it is good that you posted this hand. I think it illustrates a common problem in the forum because if you had just said aggro, without the hand my view of her would be totally different. To me this is not aggro, just ****, scared of playing streets and, well, did I mention ****. :-)

Given hand 1 I flat flop. Her sizing is terrible, exploit it. When we hit she'll probably get scared by the flush but somehow, from that fear, find a reason to shove. Don't ask me why these people's actions are totally irrational but they are.
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10-05-2010 , 03:49 PM
I dont like the raise preflop, especially when you have players that will crazy jam... no reason to build a pot when they will do it for you.

Also, when she jams you're getting ~1.75-1 on your money.

I think I just fold and learn not to raise people with draws that have a tendancy of overvaluing their hands.
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10-05-2010 , 03:50 PM
as played this is a pretty dam simple equity calculation.
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10-05-2010 , 03:51 PM
I would just flat this hand pre-flop. No reason the bloat the pot when we have a great multi-way hand in position. I would also just call the flop, and not raise. You've got great implied odds, and raising only allows you to get blown off your hand. Raising donk bets is fine online, but generally a bad idea live when someone leads in to 6 players.
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10-05-2010 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by br3nt00
as played this is a pretty dam simple equity calculation.
easy fold to jam
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10-05-2010 , 04:00 PM
I don't really understand preflop raise sizing?

as played just flat, she is offering you good odds and its pretty obvious she will stack off with any hand she likes.
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10-05-2010 , 04:02 PM
Preflop I woulda just limped along. If I did raise after all these limpers, it would be to at $20 so I had a chance of getting this HU. All we did here was create a huge bloated multi-way pot with a meh hand, so I'm not sure what the point is.

Villain is betting into the world, so obviously she likes her hand. She is also giving us great odds of 4:1 so I just call the flop and see what happens on the turn.

As played, I believe we're being asked to call $150 to win $350, so we're getting about 2.3:1, which is slightly better than what we need for our flush draw (against pair hands, at least). I believe we have to call here, especially against someone who overplays top pair.

ETA: I may have done the math wrong on flop; I guess we're being asked to call $220 to win $420 (is that right?) and if so then we're not getting the odds we need to chase our flush, so easy fold.

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