1/2 NL. Three hours into session. Table is mainly loose passive. Ten handed.

Hero ($350, BTN): Hero is in for $300 ($200 + $100 add on an hour in). Of the four tight players at the table, hero is one of two with a TAG image. However, the table doesn't appear to have too many thinking players, so hero probably doesn't have much of an image to any of the players. Hero has won several hands and lost two big hands, but hasn't really shown down any hands.

Villain 1 ($400, BB): Villain 1 is 30's WG and pretty bad. Hero has never played with him, but villain is a loose passive player. He always shows aggression way too late and gets very upset when people draw out on him. Villain 1 also shows his hand EVERY time, regardless of whether he wins or loses. Villain 1 had to be educated earlier that a set beats two pair. Villain 1 has called big raises with hands such as 27o, 93s, K2o, etc. What really sticks out about villain 1 is a hand where UTG opened to $10, two callers and BTN 3! to $60 and he called in SB with J5o, with slightly more than $100 (he ended up flopping trip 5's.)

Villain 2 ($250, UTG +1): Villain 2 is 40's WG and very tight passive. He'll only raise with premium hands pre flop and when he does, it's usually a pot sized open. He will only 3! with AA or KK. Hero and villain 2 play together at least once a week, and hero and villain 2's brother play together twice a week, which villain 2's brother plays IDENTICAL to villain 2.

Villain 3 ($600, HJ): Villain 3 is mid 70's WG and LAG. Villain 3 is weird because he can play extremely well at times, then decide to just start playing crazy. Villain 3 will take his draws all the way and likes betting them out, and will triple barrel regardless of whether he hits or not. Villain 3 is really cool to talk to because he played with Stu back in the day and has played in a few world series'. Villain 3 plays wild sometimes because at this point money is irrelevant to him.

Villain 4 ($300, CO): Villain 4 is 40's WG and loose passive. Hero has never played with villain 4 before. Hero lost a pot to villain 4 when villain 4 BTN straddle'd 5, hero raised to $20 from SB with AKo and villain called with 29s. Villain 4 is interesting and shows flashes of great poker play at times, but hero has villain 4 far from figured out, and thinks that villain 4 might be a better player than he has showed up to this point.

OTTH

Hero straddles $5 on the BTN (normally would do $4, but didn't have any white chips and really didn't care enough to ask the dealer to break a red chip). Villain 1 calls, villain 2 calls, villain 3 calls, and villain 4 calls. Hero looks up to J J and raises to $40. Villain 1 calls, villain 2 calls, villain 3 calls and villain 4 calls (?!?!?!)

Flop ($201) 8 9 2

Villain 1 checks, villain 2 checks, villain 3 checks, and villain 4 checks. Hero?

You have $300 left and pot is $200 and at least 2 villains are likely to call if you hit? These stack sizes suck. I think you have to jam here though. checking is out of the question and so is bet folding.

Just shove.
Also, how do I get to play against this dream lineup?

b/f is clearly not an option. I personally am not a fan of the check either, especially on a draw heavy board. We are fairly certain that villain 3 does not have any draw.

My two options I gave myself were:

1.) Bet $100 and jam any non diamond, non straight completing turn

2.) Go for an overbet jam of over 150% pot.


I don't normally overbet too many pots, but in a situation like this, you'd deem it a proper play?

Charity poker rooms in Michigan. The lineup isn't usually this awful.

Jam. Almost every turn card in the deck sucks for your hand.

It's looking like a consensus that a huge overbet here is appropriate.

Flopped an OP against a bunch of limp callers on your btn straddle w low spr. Ridiculously profitable shove. Why is this weird?

It's five ways and villain 1 and 4 could have ATC + villain 3 has a very wide range. I'm just not used to seeing a flop five ways, especially with a $40 raise.

I used to play in one of those just across the border from Toledo. This was around 2010/2011. The games were decent.

If you're ever out my way at FireKeepers the games there are good too, just stay off my table.

The fact that the villains could have ATC is a good thing here. Normally the only negative to betting here is that nothing worse can really call you, but it's pretty unlikely you got out flopped here, and protecting your equity against this sopping wet board is more important than the occasional risk that you shove into a better hand (which you will have outs against). Just because your opponents are likely to play perfect against your big bet, doesn't mean you shouldn't make that bet. You're giving them too much of an edge by checking, and if you put any decent sized bet in you are basically committed, might as well commit yourself now. They would be correct to call your $100 bet with a lot of their draws.

Hahaha, that's a little bit of a drive, but I need to check out FireKeepers! I have heard nothing but great reviews about the tournaments. I personally haven't heard anything about cash until now, but I have a few friends that regularly drive up there to play in the tournaments, and one of the dealers at the charity room said to trust him that I need to play in the tournaments there.

With that being said, I really appreciate the explanation in regards to the hand. I personally wasn't a huge fan of this hand considering it was five ways to the flop, which is unheard of besides in limped pots. That was a very good way of explaining why hero should shove in this situation, and provided positive insight for future situations - cheers!

I don't play their tournies, but the Sunday ones have a good structure and are $100-$500 buy-in depending on the week, with some bounties and other gimmicks here and there. The cash games are good. $400 buy-in $1/$2 that tends to play deep with lots of straddling and always some soft spots at the table. We've got a thread in the venues forum. Good times.

I like jamming here

worse can definitely call

lets get it in and protect are equity profitably

no problem taking it down right there either

NH WP

JAM, get that moniessss!

Well, it looks like there's a very clear consensus here. Thank you very much for the responses!

This lineup sounds like a dream!

NH

I might have checked the flop with these stacks vs 4 opponents. But most others love to ride the variance train so wpnh.

Pretty standard. What's funny is the villain probably got mad about losing when his hand was severely dominated pf.

Good to hear karma prevailed.