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11-13-2010 , 06:38 AM
Villain: No history with villain and have only been at the table for about 5-6 orbits. He called a $10 raise pre with Q5o and paid 2 streets when he hit his queen but doesn't seem to be getting too out of line but he's definitely not a great player. Also he's not calling that wide pre at least from what I've seen excluding that Q5o hand (maybe it was a one time spew?). Played all hands passively so far. (c/c lines, no 3bets pre or any street for that matter).

He's sitting at about $350

Hero: I have been pretty card dead at this table and have only played really one big hand where I c-raised bluffed a flop with air and lead the turn and got called then I gave up but I'm not sure if villain even noticed that hand. I've been playing pretty tight.

I have ~$200 maybe less

I don't remember exactly how it went but it was something like this.

Hero is CO w/ QQ

3 Limpers, hero raises to ~$15, villain calls in the SB, 2 callers (irrelevant villains).

Pot: ~$60
Flop: 9TJ

Checks to hero, hero bets ~$50, villain insta-ships, 2 folds, hero ???

I think it was like 130-150 more to call can't remember exact sizing. Thoughts?

Last edited by Jarretman; 11-13-2010 at 06:49 AM.
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11-13-2010 , 06:44 AM
pretty easy call. You've got several hands in his range totally dominated: jq, k/j 10/q 10/k.

You're flipping vs his 2 pair range, so all you're worried about are 78 and qk, and there aren't that many combos of qk left.

You're not even that far behind a set still 2:1. Having seen the q/5 hand I'd be happy to get it in here.
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11-13-2010 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
pretty easy call. You've got several hands in his range totally dominated: jq, k/j 10/q 10/k.

You're flipping vs his 2 pair range, so all you're worried about are 78 and qk, and there aren't that many combos of qk left.

You're not even that far behind a set still 2:1. Having seen the q/5 hand I'd be happy to get it in here.
I'm not sure if he takes this line with hands I have completely dominated. Of course I'd be happy to see two pair. He's been playing pretty passive pre and post.
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11-13-2010 , 07:20 AM
he's treating top pair and an oesd like the nuts here.
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11-13-2010 , 11:33 AM
I think this is a pretty easy call....
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11-13-2010 , 01:28 PM
call it and expect to see the pot getting shipped your way, more often then not... aginst a player like him, folding the hand is, imo, a cardinal mistake!
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11-13-2010 , 01:36 PM
I think this is a pretty easy snap call, but I think its a little closer than what other people have said.

I think read that villain loves to check/call station with TPNK or worse does not mean that his range is wide for check/shoving his whole stack... point is villain may not check/shove top pair and open ender. either way, we have too much equity to fold here, and are ahead of a decent range.
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11-13-2010 , 01:45 PM
I agree it is an easy call. Not a fist pump but we are ahead of some hands, as BGP said and have decent equity over plenty that beat us.
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11-13-2010 , 03:05 PM
I couldnt find a fold here. We've flopped an over pair with a low SPR (~3) on a draw heavy board. Sure aggression from an otherwise passive opponent is not what we want to see, but we've got blockers and a redraw. We're only dead to 1 hand which is unlikely due to our holding. I think we've got way to much equity vs his range to be folding after putting in 35% of our stack.
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11-14-2010 , 05:26 AM
Yeah I thought it was a snap call, and I did snap call but I was in for 1k on a Friday and was having a psychologically defeating day and I just wanted to make sure I was ahead of his range which I'm pretty sure I was. He had KQ fwiw.

EDIT: Also it seems like villain is the type of person to c/c with a FD/SD and I think it's even rare for him to shove a combo draw here. I think when he shoves his range is heavily weighted towards 78,99,TT,JJ and all the two pair possibilities (obviously the queen straights are in his range but with our blockers it's so unlikely). My pokerstove is being a bitch right now so if someone could draw up that range for me I'd appreciate it.

Last edited by Jarretman; 11-14-2010 at 05:53 AM.
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11-14-2010 , 06:32 AM
Easy call given reads. Wp.
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11-14-2010 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
Yeah I thought it was a snap call, and I did snap call but I was in for 1k on a Friday and was having a psychologically defeating day and I just wanted to make sure I was ahead of his range which I'm pretty sure I was. He had KQ fwiw.

EDIT: Also it seems like villain is the type of person to c/c with a FD/SD and I think it's even rare for him to shove a combo draw here. I think when he shoves his range is heavily weighted towards 78,99,TT,JJ and all the two pair possibilities (obviously the queen straights are in his range but with our blockers it's so unlikely). My pokerstove is being a bitch right now so if someone could draw up that range for me I'd appreciate it.
Small point but I don't think we are ahead of his range. Too lazy to stove but my first guess would be that we are just behind by a small enough margin to make calling best.
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11-14-2010 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
Also it seems like villain is the type of person to c/c with a FD/SD and I think it's even rare for him to shove a combo draw here. I think when he shoves his range is heavily weighted towards 78,99,TT,JJ and all the two pair possibilities (obviously the queen straights are in his range but with our blockers it's so unlikely). My pokerstove is being a bitch right now so if someone could draw up that range for me I'd appreciate it.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

67,320 games 0.005 secs 13,464,000 games/sec

Board: Js Tc 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.273% 33.35% 02.93% 22448 1971.00 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 63.727% 60.80% 02.93% 40930 1971.00 { JJ-99, KQs, Q8s, J9s+, T9s, 87s, KQo, Q8o, J9o+, T9o, 87o }

Looks like you have equity to call even vs. a made hand range of 2-pair+
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11-14-2010 , 08:01 AM
ez call
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11-14-2010 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lanyi
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

67,320 games 0.005 secs 13,464,000 games/sec

Board: Js Tc 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.273% 33.35% 02.93% 22448 1971.00 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 63.727% 60.80% 02.93% 40930 1971.00 { JJ-99, KQs, Q8s, J9s+, T9s, 87s, KQo, Q8o, J9o+, T9o, 87o }

Looks like you have equity to call even vs. a made hand range of 2-pair+
Thanks. And que I misspoke I meant to say that I was pretty sure I had the right price given his range.
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