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05-26-2010 , 08:09 AM
Empire casino, london. Pretty big swings but i am a winning player there for the last couple of months. There are definitely holes im my game though, hence my joining 2+2.

Quite loose game, 9 handed.

Villain1: 350£. loose pre, tight post-flop, college student degen type. i've been bluffing this guy consistantly, and i think he's about ripe to play back on me when i have the nuts.

Villain2: 150£. literally just sat down. no info, except that he's a middle-age indian man wearing a suit.

Hero: 450£. not sure of my image. I limp in a lot, with very different targets: some guys i know won't give up and i just want to flop the nuts and stack them, others i know i can bluff off of many hands.

V1 (CO): open 8£
V2 (BT): call 8£
Hero (BB): As6s call 8£

Flop: jh8s2s
Hero: check
V1: Bet 14£
V2: Call 14£
Hero: Call 14$

Turn: Ah
Hero: bet 60£
V1: fold
V2 call

pot about 220£
River:7h
Hero: check
V2: bet 68£ all-in
Hero: ????

I made at least one mistake in this hand, probably more. Please indicate advice and comments at all stages.

Thanks!
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05-26-2010 , 08:18 AM
I dont mind the call preflop but thats prob. a leak in my game. I dont like the bet OTT I think you have to check/call again ,I much rather raise the flop bet. The river is an easy fold.
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05-26-2010 , 08:52 AM
Turn lead confuses me completely. I'd much rather check-evaluate/pot control it especially when we have relative position on the initial raiser. What were you trying to achieve with the turn lead?

As played you can't fold river, it's 68 quid into 288.
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05-26-2010 , 10:14 AM
I think the turn lead is fine. There's a decent chance you have the best hand right now and if not you still have the flush draw. The river is a tough spot; your kicker isn't live so you're chopping with A3-A6 and lose to any other Ace. 98 got there as well. All you really beat is a busted flush draw. Still, I probably make the crying call given the price.
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05-26-2010 , 12:01 PM
Welcome aboard!

I think Tom1975 meant 9T, not 98. It's just an awkward spot on the river--you have to call, but you don't expect to win very often. The thing is, you only have to be good 20% of the time for it to be a good call.
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05-26-2010 , 01:11 PM
I'll often c/r this flop since it doesn't hit any PF raising range hard and you can have a lot of hands here in the BB. With 54 in the pot I'll c/r the 14 bet to ~70 and take it down very often. The times villain shows up with an overpair and decides to shove I've got good equity and I'm not real worried about sets because they're so hard to hit (and a small part of villains' range), but we can still draw out on them.

Calling the flop isn't bad, especially if you think your fold equity is very low with these villains. But then I don't want to speed up when the ace hits since it's not likely to be good if called and you've only got one more card to catch up.

So, depending on gameflow and your image I think either play it hard on the flop or passively throughout. Good luck and welcome to the forums.
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05-26-2010 , 01:36 PM
Welcome to the forum. I hope you'll stick around.

Fold pf.

Ok, I know it is an ace. And they're suited. However, an on-line study years ago showed that the hand people lost the most money on is:

A6o.

A6s was about 3rd or 4th. The reason is that it is the worst Ax hand that can't connect for a straight. If there is another ace playing, you're almost certainly beat by it. However, people like yourself over play their hand when they hit the ace. That's why people lose money with it.

I'm not saying people couldn't make money with A6s oop. However, they are probably losing money because they are wasting their time at 1/2 and should be playing higher and making more.

FoldnDark is absolutely right on the flop. If you are going to play IO hands (like A6s) you have to play them hard when you make a draw. You just can't make calling the pf +EV if you are going to play fit or fold poker with them.
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