Why are people so fixed on this draw heavy board? None of the draws have come in yet and the only hands we are behind are a very non-typically played AA and super unlikely QT given the preflop action. We are ahead of every draw & every other made hand. I Philly-boy this call and shove all my chips in as fast as possible. If I'm wrong I reload and sleep like a baby that night.
If I fold KK in this situation after putting nearly $150 in the pot, and villain 1 flips up JJ & villain 2 the NFD+GS I want to shoot myself and monkey tilt off 3 more buys.
How can this not be a snap call 250bb deep? I think it is super weak to fold this without a killer read on Villain 1.
OK, so my range for villain 1(solid player) may have been a little wide, but I have seen lots of 1/2 players ship any 2 pair on boards like this in the name of protecting vs draws.

I dunno I really think this is closer to a call then a fold, what were their specific stacks sizes? there is a chance that you would still win some in side pot etc depending on who covers who etc which is a small consideration.

I mean villain one has to have JJ at least as often if not MORE often then AA right? and never QT if he is competent preflop.

reads on Villain 2 show he sucks and can show up with much worse here

don't think I can fold this.

WTF is villain 1 doing here anyway seems like he missed a chance to just get it AIPF in a great spot.

cant blame you for folding though esp if you had a read to go along with it.

Yes Villain 2 was covered by Villain 1 but there stacks were very close. With in 20bucks of each other so idk if he realized that he was covered but he had to have realized that there stacks were close.

Thanks!

Good discipline op. For me that'd be a spot where I puke in my mouth than call because I can never fold sets even on the wettest boards.

But this post makes me realize another leak I need to plug.

Sick fold but i agree with previous comment, we just aren't that deep. 250bbs middle set on wet board + unlikeliness of AA here.

Grunch: Call. Only losing to AA and QT. Even if someone is in a 3! pot with QTs, you have 33% equity, making this a call. Even against specifically QcTc, you have enough equity to call. The only hand that crushes us is AA, and that would require that V1 fllated the 3! OOP with a caller left to act, or that V2 flatted with them TWICE.

Judging by the length of this thread, I'm guessing that one of those must have happened, but it's really not a good fold imo, considering that you have sufficient equity against the current nuts, so even a read of strength doesn't equal a fold here.

OK, post grunch, and I still hate the fold. The AA is just SOOO unlikely here, and even if we put both V's on the nuts, we STILL have sufficient equity. I'm sorry, but I think praising this fold is just way too results oriented.

I was particularly amused by the folks who constructed ranges and then said fold, even though we have huge equity against those ranges.

I think the reason some of these people said fold was because people are afraid of getting it on for $250bb with a possibility of drawing to like 4% which is not out of the realm of possibility. But still I agree with you.