Hello "yutes" !!

Longtime lurker, first-time HH poster on LLSNL forum

Hero has two red aces, stack is 600. Villain has 300. Hero's image is that of a somewhat aggressive OMC on a heater. I have been raising a lot pre, not due to being LAG, rather due to getting hit by the deck. Villain is asain gent in his 40s. LP pre, with a penchant for being trappy and tricky(he had limped QQ in an earlier hand). post, he seemed more competent than the avg 1/2 villain and capable of folding decent holdings when he thinks he is beat.

On to the hand, UTG limps, Hero(UTG+1) raises AhAd to 12, one caller, villain also calls from button, SB,BB, and limper fold.

Flop($38) AhKc8h

hero bets $20, fold, villain raises to $42 ,Hero tanks and in an effort to charge any possible flush/combo draws repops to $95. To my surprise, villain disgustedly folds AsKs faceup.

appreciate any comments.

V must be really easy to bluff..

You say you want to raise to charge flush draws, but then you raise an amount that gives Villain nearly 4:1 pot odds. After your raise there is ~$190 in the pot and Villain has to call ~$50.

Have you seen Villain do this min-raise before? Against some Villains, a min-raise like this is a sign of weakness, so it could be best to just call and check to them on the turn so they can bluff again. Without any reads though, the standard play is to re-raise and hope he has a big enough hand to call. The raise size should be more like $150 though and then plan to shove any turn.

Either Villain is very MUBSY or he has a solid read on you. Make sure you aren't giving off any obvious tells that you have a monster. How did you react to the flop? Did you feel calm or were you feeling nervous/excited? Were you shaking at all?

This villain isnt competent hes a terrible nitfish. Make the 3bet a little bigger so you can shove turn.

No I think you did what you should do. Villain just happens to be incredibly tight. That said, I think your pre-flop raise was a little too big... 8-10 is probably better. 10+ suggests big pairs, and could mean no action at all pre-flop if nobody's got a decent hand. Of course it depends on the table and your table image.

Post flop, with a flush draw on the board, I'd rather bet out and take down the pot than face a tough spot when somebody shoves with a flush on the board.

Regardless, either this guy can read you like a book, or he's tight-bad.

Two things about us OMC's

1) urination frequency - high
2) perceived bluffing frequency - low

I see two issues here...

First, as someone else mentioned, your reraise was too small. It looks like you are milking. I think if you had just shoved you would have had a higher chance of being called.

Second - and this is *really* dependent on how good your villain actually is - where is the balance? In other words, is there another hand you would play like this that AK could beat?

Some people say that balance doesn't matter in live games, and from a statistical perspective, I agree. But if there is literally 1 hand you will play this way, then balance matters.

If you play JThh, QThh, and QJhh the exact same way, I'd say your play was fine. If not, you might want to reconsider in the future.

That he snap folded face up and with your description that he seems savvy -- well, it says a lot.

I propose you gave away a tell. Don't let your AA boner push the table up into the air. I'm serious: he picked up on either a physical or bet-sizing tell, probably both.

Umm the problem I see with this hand is the fact that you have two red aces and the ace of hearts flops.

Excellent point. Everything I would play this way (AA,KK,88,AK) either crushes or chops with AK. However, I doubt this villain thinks like this. In fact, as I was leaving for the session i complemented villain on his laydown and told him I had aces. He(in my IMO truthfully)stated that he folded because I was "running hot" and always had it. He also said that he minraised to find out "where he is at".

hehe, us OMC's don't get aroused that easily and seriously, I didn't give off any obvious tell(to my knowledge, of course). Also, he didn't snap fold, he took a reasonable amount of time.

Oh, and clearly I got the suits of my aces wrong. The key point was that there was a two-flush on the flop. My apologies.

How many times have you seen an OMC 3-bet the flop?

Honestly when you 3bet the flop as a OMC the bottom of your range is AK so his fold with AK seems reasonable. That being said the vast majority will pay you off with anything but a pure bluff (which is rare) that they are raising your cbet with.

Hate the min 3bet OTF. As mentioned you really didn't price anything out. Either raise bigger with intention of getting it n now or OTT or flat and c/r non heart (or whatever you decided the flush suit was) turns big.

I tend to get guys wanting to get their 2 pair and big draws in with me so I generally just play it fast. Personaly if I had OMC coffe image I would accept the hand and exploit the image... eventually the problem will go away

I probably also lead just a little bigger OTF like 2/3 to 3/4 pot.

BTW, it is important which cards were the flush cards. If villain had Axhh on an AcKh8h flop we can include TP and some NFDs in his range along w/ the 3 remaining AK combos which we can get significantly more value from than a naked FD or naked Top Pair OK kicker or w/e.

Honestly I do struggle a little with top set hands tho because it sometimes feels like we can't get action and there is a tendency to make smallish bets to ensure action. I remember years ago reading in Doyle's book that when you make a set of As you should play it fast I generally agree meaning I am going to cbet (as I am more often than not with most hands.)

Once villain min raises back we do have a decision. He is either doing this with a huge combo draw, AK, KK or 88 maybe A8s or K8s and some number of bluffs. With 1 broadway card and 2 flush cards on board I'm just generally not giving free cards that could a)make straights or flushes or b)kill the action so I'm usually repopping it 3/4 to full pot depending on stacks.

While we could take a stack-a-donk c/r turn line here if we feel strongly he's weighted to TP/2p/undersets I generally just give him a chance to get it in right here on the flop. There aren't a lot of LLSNL players raise folding. I'm more likely to maybe take the flat/ c/r turn line when I am OOP with a set vs a semi competent villain with a likely overpair who 3bet preflop or a super Laggy villain who will bluff a lot of turns.

The combination of suited cards can sometimes eliminate some of the suited combos so we can maybe weight his range a little one way or the other but most value hands and Big draws tend to give me action.

If this happens regularly I would suggest it is in part the OMC image and you have a great opportunity to leverage this image in other spots.

Grunch:

That's just bad luck for you. I have no idea why he would fold that hand. Nice hand.

It's hard to fault anything you did here w/out being results oriented. I would love to say I smooth otf, c/c Ott and shuv river. But I know at the table i'm raising that all day and for probably more. When the deck smacks you in the face there is merit in letting V catch up. But as stated people rarely b/f the flop and definitely not top 2. He's just terribad and it's unlucky as I'm sure if most posters had his hand stacks would be in. Sorry

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Preflop raise got us 3ways so fine.

I hate the flop bet size. On this board we're either gonna get action or we're not, so let's pot it for the times we do get action. I make it ~$40 to go, let's quickly start building a huge pot so we can play for stacks, plus get some money in before a bunch of cooler cards come.

I think I'm ok with the raise size as we'll be able to shove on the turn.

I'm shocked that villain was able to get away from his hand here. Unlucky.

ETA: I was also originally wondering if the 3bet size was too small, but in the end I don't think it is. We've put in $115 on the flop and Villain $42, which means the Villain needs to call $73 to win $195. He's getting odds of 2.7:1, and with us having a set (which can still draw out on drawing hands that hit on the turn), I think that's ok odds to offer. It also sets up a $268 pot with Villain having $173 left on the turn, so an easy shove. I woulda probably gone slightly more on the 3bet, but I still think it's ok as is.

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I almost threw up when I read this.. There's nothing you can really do to this super nit.. Based on his tendencies his rr otf speaks volumes value town his ass.. Chk calls and 1/2 pot bets.. So grooose folds top two wtf...

repop ~3x villains raise on the flop ~130ish

Good advice.