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01-20-2012 , 10:35 PM
Beau Rivage, 1/2NL uncapped.

Action table. PFRs get very little respect. Lots of multiway pots. All players are at least 200 bb deep. Great game. Hero is unfortunately stuck a little after 25o > KK, obv.

Villain is a maniac. Has showed lots of bluff. Has been caught bluffing into a 4 way pot with total air. Offers to show his hand of you fold... basic crazy, rich fish stuff. Has a big stack and is trying to push the table around.

Hero has a slightly tilted image, but is playing pretty well, just taken a few nasty beats.

Villain - $800 - co
Hero - covers - utg .... Qh Qd

Hero raises to $20, 2 callers, villain calls. Others fold.

Flop: $80, 4 players
Jc Ts 4h

Hero checks, villain bets $75, others fold, hero calls.

Turn: $230, HU
Qs

Hero checks, villain leads for $200... Hero?

Clearly, we're not folding.
Flat to keep in his lesser hands? Or jam since he's borderline committed and to make drawing incorrect?
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01-20-2012 , 10:49 PM
yeah I just jam here, I don't see us getting another street of value
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01-21-2012 , 03:57 AM
I think this is an easy jam. Set over set?
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01-21-2012 , 05:11 AM
aweee in babby
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01-21-2012 , 05:44 AM
Jamjam.
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01-21-2012 , 01:32 PM
yup, jam the turn, but: Why would you check on the flop? There are so many oesd and toppair combos you can valuebet against.
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01-21-2012 , 03:08 PM
Konti:

I checked the flop because the guy had been calling my pfr super light left and right and was often fit or fold to aggression on the flop. I was trying to give him some rope to hang himself with, but then his turn pot bet was surprising. My question wad just a matter of the max value line.
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01-21-2012 , 03:22 PM
Well since you posted this he prob had K9 and got there.

But jam is good.
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01-21-2012 , 04:32 PM
Haha. I'm not going to cram up the board with bbv. I jammed and he tanked for like 2 min and folded. Much disappointment.
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01-21-2012 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by agnostia
Beau Rivage, 1/2NL uncapped.

Action table. PFRs get very little respect. Lots of multiway pots. All players are at least 200 bb deep. Great game. Hero is unfortunately stuck a little after 25o > KK, obv.

Villain is a maniac. Has showed lots of bluff. Has been caught bluffing into a 4 way pot with total air. Offers to show his hand of you fold... basic crazy, rich fish stuff. Has a big stack and is trying to push the table around.

Hero has a slightly tilted image, but is playing pretty well, just taken a few nasty beats.

Villain - $800 - co
Hero - covers - utg .... Qh Qd

Hero raises to $20, 2 callers, villain calls. Others fold.

Flop: $80, 4 players
Jc Ts 4h

Hero checks, villain bets $75, others fold, hero calls.

Turn: $230, HU
Qs

Hero checks, villain leads for $200... Hero?

Clearly, we're not folding.
Flat to keep in his lesser hands? Or jam since he's borderline committed and to make drawing incorrect?
For me, rule #1 is there are no scary boards against maniacs. Yes, maybe he made a straight.

I call turn and maybe lead 250 on river.

I am adding this sentence after reading the other posts. I think a jam on the turn is proper when not facing a maniac. You raise them big they can get away from it. Let the maniac bet into you.
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01-21-2012 , 09:57 PM
Crai river and call turn. His range is too full of bluffs and his sizing is too large, you won't make more money by shoving turn cause he will fold all of his bluffs that he would bet 500 on the river with.
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