$1/$2 NL home game, 7-handed everyone is familiar with each other's game as we all have played together at a poker room else where. This hand is about 1 hour into the session.

Hero: early 20s TAG, Although since this game was not a full table, I was a bit more active than I usually am. Early on I had 4b/f with A9 to another player who I thought was tilting.

Villain: mid 20s LAG tends to play a lot of hands in multiway pots. Me and V have a decent amount of history. He is definitely capable of 3 -betting light, as I have had occasions where I have 4 bet V and he would insta-fold. About 5 hands in the session I had picked up J8o and raised from the button, V had 3 bet me from the bb, and I folded.

Now onto the hand.

Hero ($250) - button
Villain ($300) - BB
Random Player ($300) - SB (not significant in this hand)

4 folds to hero, hero looks down at T8 and raises to $10.
SB calls, V calls.

Earlier I had witnessed V 3b me from the bb, and I know he could have a wide range of hands. However, when he flats my button raise I think his range narrows down to small pp, and a combination of hands like KJ, KT,Q9,Q8, JT. I expect him to 3 bet me with the top of his range (hands like AA/AK/QQ/JJ) as well as bad hands like 52,T7 etc. (hands that should either be folded pre or 3 bet). I'm not sure if my logic makes sense or if its just complete nonsense. but essentially what I'm getting at is I think his big hands, and garbage hands, he will almost certainly always 3 bet my button raise. (If something is wrong with my logic/thinking here please point it out)

So 3 ways:

FLOP ($30):
Q82

SB checks
V leads out for $18
Hero calls
SB folds

So here, I'm a bit confused by V's lead here, it seems somewhat strong since he's leading into two other opponents on a very dry board, but I call here to evaluate the turn and see what happens (as I have backdoor flush and straight possibilities).

TURN ($66):
4

V leads out again for $40
Hero tanks for a bit, then raises to $110

At this point, I'm almost certain V has a Q, but I don't think its a strong queen. I think raising or folding is my only options here. A raise here I think can get V to fold his hands like Q9 QT Q7. Since I have a TAG image (although I raised from the button pre). I think my flat call on the flop, and then raising here ott is a strong line.

So my questions are:
1. Is raising the turn here just spew given the line V took? and why?
2. What other type of hands would a LAG V lead here with other than Qx?

I don't mind the flop float. You're repping pretty much sets only with your line, but assuming you don't have a FOS image with V and that V actually has the ability to fold TP, I like it.

i dont think hes leading his weak queens tbh.. I think he x/c Q9 or whatever. Probably more of a fold than a raise OTT because we have to assume that he can fold top pair BTN vs BB in this spot vs you who he has history with. I prefer taking a spot like this when villain's range is capped and our range is uncapped, of which only half is true.

Also, it's a 1/2 game. Youre not going to be making your money off of taking spots like this vs this villain. If you arent worried about making the most profit but instead trying to win every hand and outplay people, then you can be more inclined to take this spot.

I fold here because of who's your opponent. I'm not sure you are good here. He could have a Q, a better 8 or even 2 pair.

I would raise more preflop again LAGs but with better hands. Make them pay to see a flop and bet it hard when you hit it.

I think I probably float the turn too and decide what to do OTR. I can see him x/f the river pretty easily. (I might even show him the T if he did.)

Though I like your line. I probably make my turn raise more like $130 though (but your sizing is fine).

Not knowing V personally, I'd range him like [Qx(small), 8x(big), JT, T9]. This is taking into account the fact that he didn't 3b you pre.

Your logic is off. If he's lag, his range is much wider. He could also easily be seeing your PFR as FOS given prior history/position. Either way, V has seen you 3b/f and 4b/f...I don't think he sees you as TAG, as your describe yourself.

1. Could go either way, but I don't think we are getting V to fold a naked Q or better.

2. Qx and all 2P combos. Also both baby sets.

Regardless though, I think you need to be very near 100% sure he's folding to make this raise. I don't think he's close, I'd just fold.

Great hand to call with OTF, with a 3flush, 3straight, so many ways the turn could be glorious. But it wasn't. On to the next hand.

Raising the blank on the turn is nuts. Villain is value-betting you. He had to lead out because so much of your range checks behind on this board. (Including your present holding, which can be bet or checked profitably)

I don't hate the play but I think its more effective in higher stakes games. The best way to make $$$ in 1-2 is through fundamentals. Also, your range for him may be right but he may jam it in anyways with TPTK or something like that #chipotle

This is a little spewy, but not for the reasons you may think.

Look at this from a little different point of view, one where we have two options, get to a showdown and lose or win the pot right now.

Our pair of 8's is never good in this spot, especially against this villain. So, we would never just call this turn bet.

We'd be calling $40, the pot on the river would then be $146 and we'd be hoping to hit gin (10-15%) to win the hand.

If we don't hit (85-90%) then would we call down the $85~ bet that V would make on river? Probably not.

BUTTTT.... If we had a weak Q this is a completely different situation.

In that case, we could, call/call turn/river and see him turn up with AQ KQ QJ Q10 and lose. Oh well, but if we held something like Q9, Q8, the raise on the turn would make our lives significantly easier.

Why? Because we'd be taking the "call" money on the river (we're calling him off with top pair here and sighing if we lose to a better kicker) and turning it back on him to try to win the pot right here and now.

He probably folds his Q10, QJ, maybe even KQ on a board like this, as raising such a blank turn card screams strength.

So, we raise $70 to $110 and he either folds (Yay!), calls (okay...) or raises (insta fold).

So... we have a chance at winning the pot, something we couldn't do if we got to a showdown. If he calls the raise on the turn, he probably checks to us, we get to the showdown at the same price, but had that chance to win the pot, so it's a net "push" (actually saves us $15 based on V's % of Pot bets in hand) for us anyway.

I like the play, just don't think your holdings are necessarily right for it.

That was a little long winded, but I think it generally makes sense.

When he led out ott, I had thought about a lot of hands that he would continue with. I tanked for about a good 30 seconds after he bet the turn. Against a LAG that I have little or no history with, I think I would probably fold. But here, since we have some history, and because I have a TAG image (from previous sessions we've played together) I can get him to fold Qx, and I think he gives me credit for a big hand because of the line I took. I tried thinking about it from V's perspective, and it's pretty hard for him to just call here and continue with Qx, considering that I had put more than half my stack into the pot already. There's also not many huge value hands other than Qx that he can have here. Hands like 28, Q2 as well as AQ and KQ, possibly QJ, I am almost certain he is going to 3 bet these hands pre rather than flat, so hands that I think he would never fold to my turn raise are narrowed down to Q8 and 22. Yes, he is LAG, but I think he is capable of folding when he feels like he's beat.

Yea, basically I had to make a decision here ott, just give up here and fold (since the 4 was a complete blank and didn't improve my hand), but I felt like I could rep a strong hand here, so I went with putting in the raise.

Definitely a valid point, its tough to play against LAGs but I thought this may be an opportunity to take a stand and be the aggressor.

I don't think I like calling the turn card, the 4 didnt improve my hand, and I would be faced with a tough decision if V bets out again otr.

You haven't mentioned how stationy V is, so it's hard to know if you should ever bluff this guy. Even absent of that info, I would fold because in a fun game, low-stakes game, game with friends, you're likely going to get called, and likely losing to Q-rag no matter what you do here, including putting car keys and rolex on the the table.

How likely is it that hey 3-barrels?

Is he going to realize that the 4 doesn't improve your hand either and call you on the river?

(I don't agree with you about V having a Q.) But if he does, then I can't see him folding to your turn action very much. Why should he be afraid of that board and runout? He has to put you on a set and only a set, which means he should be calling you with Qx (against a range of sets + weak 1p+draw + air).

Also, we have SDV against, IMO, a lot of his range OTT. So if we flat OTT, its perfectly reasonable to check it back OTR and show down.

Yea, I think more so than anything I probably should have just let it go. But like I said, I wanted to take a stand against V and be the aggressor. I thought this may be a good spot to try and do that, since the 4 was a brick, and I could rep 2p or sets. I think from his perspective hes going to give a TAG player credit for a hand here.

But just some more thoughts/questions. Let's say the turn card comes a 4 instead of a 4. Do we flat here or raise? and why?

I think if the turn came a 4 instead of a 4 I'd probably just flat, just because if he calls our raise here and we miss (assuming hes probably flatting our raise with Qx) we pretty much have to give up on the hand, since both V and hero will be committed to the pot ott, V would most likely won't fold to a shove otr. However, if we flat, and still miss our draw, if V checks behind, we have some showdown value and can check behind as well.

I'm not saying I like OP's play, but V only has to fold <50% of the time for this to be profitable.

If this guy has check raised you with top pair before the line is fine. Your raise is probably for value as he is FOS with J9/JT. Your flat on the flop says to him, "I can't beat a queen" so he is going to barrel. And if we know he check raises Qx here, we can be sure that there is more FOS in his range than 2p/sets.

On the other hand, if you dont have that history with him, it is probably a fold. If I am raising here it is on the flop. Much more credible IMO.

If I was playing at a casino with an unknown who is perceived as LAG, I probably would not have made this play. But due to the circumstances of this hand, and knowing V can fold if he faces aggression, I made the turn raise. I guess maybe when up against a LAG I should probably try to play better hands.

Anyways here are the results:

then...???

dies?

orders a martini?

rechecks his cards and says, "wait, I have three cards"?

turns into a cute little bunny and nibbles at the chips in front of him?