V1: $350+
V2:$150+
hero: $220ish
UTG. hero A4 (bet you guys would say fold pre)
image: bluff heavy, TAG (I failed bluff 3 times and showed the table.)
V2: raise to $10, 4 callers.

flop (pot $40)
Q 7 3
Hero check
V1: bets $15
V2 calls
v3 folds
hero calls (because pot is $70 and i could chase a flush or str8 or hit an Ace while only paying $15)

turn 2($85)
hero checks
V1 bets $20
V2 calls
hero calls (pot is now $125, I called bc i knew if I hit the gut shot, I will get paid off big time. If it hits it isn't expected and they'll think i'm bluffing, making them call.

what do you guys think? dumb calls?




also, fold or call $30 preflop raise with KJo?

Details:
BTN: $400+. (an Asian girl)
Hero OOP with KJo, raise to $10.
V1 calls, and BTN 3bet raise to $30.

fold or call?

Um, yeah. All of this is terrible.

Congrats on hitting your runner-runner. That's the equivalent of a 1-outer. You weren't actually deep enough to cover all the times you'll make this play, ship $45 (over 20% of your stack!) while chasing a-draw-to-a-draw. But I'll bet it felt awesome.

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It hurts to read. Is this a troll?

Lol live poker is alive and well. Fold pre, fold flop, fold turn. Your logic is so far off base it is not even funny.

Well deserved cooler for the other calling station with 55.

Well played OP. A+

Fold pre. Fold flop. Getting better than 6:1 with some implied odds and maybe A is good sometimes... I dunno the turn call is better than the rest of the hand. Once you get there you got paid so there's that.

A4o is a terrible hand. You can't make any money with it. If an ace comes on the flop, you're going to be up against a bigger ace. Flopping two pair is 50-1 and it can get counterfeited even if you hit it.

You want to fold the flop because you're calling $15 into a $70 pot (~5 to 1). Your odds of hitting a backdoor flush are 16-1. Not even sure what the runner-runner straight odds are, but they're pretty bad.

For your gutshot draw, you have a maximum of 4 outs (3 if someone's drawing to a flush). You're calling $20 into $120 pot; so that's 6-1 odds. You're odds of hitting the gutshot are ~11 to 1. So, you're not getting the proper odds. Even with "implied odds" (the money that you're going to bet on the river if you hit), you're not getting the right price to call.

You should learn basic math and pot odds before diving too deeply into strategy and fancy plays.

obv troll is not obv?

I had a backdoor flush, backdoor straight and a possible ace draw. The odds of getting at least one of those are much better than 16 to 1.

Actually I knew 50% of the time I will get called by at least 1 guy on the river and 30% of the time a raise and 10% of the time an allin because my image and the unexpectedness of the straight. So I'm actually calling $20 to a $125+45+45-$10rake=$205 pot.

Just a call:205/20=10.25*50%=5.13 to 1
A min raise then fold: 120+45+90+45-10rake/20=15.25*30%=6.1 to 1
An allin: 125+200+200=525*10%=52.5*10%=5.25

5.13+6.1+5.25=16.5 to 1

Im pretty much saying we are getting paid better odds throwing $20 on the turn, than you really think. (given the situation.)

Well anyways I think we need to be more aware of the situation in live games. Not just pot odds and ABC poker.

Disagree. His logic is so far off base its really pretty funny.

Holy magical thinking, Batman.

The worst part is your flop call. You have a draw to a couple draws, plus ace outs that may not be good. If the ace outs are good, it's because villains will fold their lower one-pair hands. So you'll win a small pot or lose a big one of the ace hits. You aren't deep-stacked, and neither is V2. All your other outs require two perfect cards to fall. (...you also have a runner-runner trips draw with the 4. THAT sure would be well-disguised if it hit!)

I don't mind floating with a well disguised drawing hand. But if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna be in position, and/or my opponent needs to be scared money. And we want to be much deeper before making this move.

As played, you donated 20+% of your stack because you had a feeling. Then you hit a 3-outer (V1 has flush draws in his range) and got paid off by a short stack. Remind me which part of this story is supposedly a good idea?

Thanks for the poker lesson.

Locked.