Hi guys, lurker for about a month here, decided to register and make a post about this spot I had in a huge hand today to get some feedback.

History: Hero early 20s, has been at the table for about 5 hours, is probably perceived as tight-passive, folds excessively preflop and limps when not folding, almost only pfrs from late position. But when he does pfr, he almost always cbets hard, sometimes stealing, but has given up on the river when stealing. Was caught only once so far, before V1 sat down but after V2.

V1 early 40s, sat down about 30 minutes ago and has played fairly aggressively so far, sees lots of flops and often gives post-flop action.

V2 mid 30s, pretty fishy, sat down about an hour ago and has been limping a lot but not showed down any winners, only losers like top pair meh kicker.

V3 has been at the table longer than hero, late 20s, fairly loose pre but often checks down when he has nothing post-flop. when he has something he becomes a calling station.

V1 has just played a big pot with Hero about an orbit ago, Hero flopped bottom set on a dry board and made it 15 to go after limping preflop, V1 reraised to 40 and Hero shoved for 110 total, V1 called, and then mucked and probably had something like top 2 pair. V1 reloaded 200 more after this hand.

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Effective stacks going into the hand in question:
Hero - 210
V1 - Covers
V2 - 180
V3 - 250

Hero holds A J in CO.

Preflop: Folded around to V3 who raises to 12 from MP, V2 calls from HJ, Hero calls from CO, V1 calls from BTN, folded around, 4 to the flop.

Flop: 8 9 10

V3 leads out for 20, V2 calls, Hero calls, V1 quickly reraises to 100.
V3 tank folds, V2 tank calls, Hero quickly calls.

Turn: 4

V1 shoves. V2 tank calls. Hero?

Call, you don't have enough back to fold.

Snap call turn. You're getting 5.5:1 odds. You're 4:1 against hitting the flush even if your straight draw is no good.

I'd normally jam flop first time it gets to me. A lot of times you win $90 and when you get called you're flipping w some dead money in the pot. Youre ahead of a lot of made hands but would love to get folds.

As played call.

Flop could be a shove after the $100 raise but I doubt you get folds. On the other hand it's when your equity is best and after calling the 100 I can't think of a turn card that would cause you to fold given your stack size relative to the pot. Hand plays out weird but I believe it works out best when you push your stack in once it gets back to you a second time on the flop.

Back shove - good overcall the first time.

My reasoning for not shoving the flop is that if anything I might get 1 fold, but there's almost no way I am getting 2 folds. I actually don't want 1 fold unless it's V1, it would be the worst outcome if V2 folded and V1 called. The best outcome is pretty obviously 2 folds but I would rather take 2 stacks in the middle than 1 call and 1 fold.

Actually the best outcome might be two to three allin calls from an action player, a fish, and a station. You honestly can do no wrong here not too deep w this kind of equity - other than fold.

Here is how the hand ended up playing out by the way, feel free to look or not

Oh you're talking shoving in response to the 20, I see. I was talking about shoving after the 100 raise got a fold and a call. In that moment I considered re-popping it to about 80 in response to the 20 and the call but not a shove, I did want to get maximum action at that point and we hadn't heard from V1 yet who I was expecting to make a similar move and have it be less believable than if it was from me. I wouldve been glad to see 2 folds if I shoved when they'd already put in 100 ea though which is what I'm talking about.

No I meant after the 100... against these guys you'd likely do well getting as much money in the pot as possible as early in the hand as possible. Again, calling the first 20 is also fine to keep things super wide, but once given the opportunity to tie weak ranges to a call given price, I'd prefer a back shove scenario where everyone calls (or folds in a perfect world once the pot is > starting stack)

I was confused because you said 2 to 3 callers, if youre talking back shove after the 100 V3 has already folded. I'm either getting 1 caller 1 folder, or 2 callers there. Almost never 2 folds.

Backraise jam the flop or just raise the lead would be best. Make it like $85.

Just so you understand, the absolute worst case scenario is that you get all the money in HU with 40% equity. You have 40% assuming he has the absolute nuts vs you (JQ, or a set). You are ahead of the low end flopped straight.

Given the likelihood of dead money, and likelihood of getting it in with 50% equity, this is a clear get all the money in ASAP as many was as possible type hand. Even better if you can get it in 3 ways vs a hand like 9T and JT, or a set and the dummy straight.

As a rule, if you have the high end OESD + NFD multi way and you are sub like 250bb deep, get all the money in in live poker. It wouldn't be unusual for this to go in 3 ways and you have the equity look like this for a triple up. By playing your hand aggressively you also capitalize on a ton of fold equity and will make them fold hands like AA on this texture.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

130,032 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 89t

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
asjs	43.94%	56,382	2,259
9t	18.51%	23,319	2,259
67	37.55%	48,072	2,259

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You have just so much equity against even the strongest of ranges, I would just pile it in on the flop sub-250BB.

I like shoving over the 20. At that point you still have fold equity. Agreed shoving over the 80 doesn't accomplish much. Once you call the 20 the band plays itself.

Jam all flops. Worst case scenario is you have about 35% equity. I'd usually jam the first time around, definitely the second.

Snap call the turn. You're getting well over 5:1 to hit 10 nut outs. Easy.