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03-21-2012 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
You really should get in the habit of peeling off a card on the flop whenever you hit a piece of the board or have a draw and the flop bet isn't that big and you still have insane implied odds.

Reason being, as the hand progresses more information becomes available. As more info becomes available, this will always favor the better player. Also, as the hand continues V's have more opportunities to make mistakes...

What happens a lot in these spots is that V will have a weak K and will bet once, get called, then shut down. Once he shuts down, we get to see turn and river cards for free. If we hit our 2p, we can bet and V will almost always pay us off with his weak King.

He will then rant, rave, curse, and call us a donk for drawing out on him, all the while he's oblivious that he misplayed the hand...

Basically, in these spots, you definitely should be peeling one off and calling weak flop bets when you have a piece of anything...
You are one of my favorite posters here but this makes no sense to me. You're calling an OVERBET on the flop in order to try to hit a 2 outer so you can get paid... 1 more street of betting IF YOU HIT?
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03-21-2012 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Hazardous Blount
I seriously think everyone in this forum might be leveling. I think I may have to start as well. How can every single poster contribute such poor advice. It must be to keep the fish fish... or educate them with non-winning strategies.

So yeah definitely call flop bets out of position with marginal holdings because you "hit a piece". Your opponent will continue to bet, but this "more information" will certainly allow you to play your crappy hand profitably out of position.

Haha... i'm done, see you at the table donkeys.
Go read "No Limit Hold 'em: Theory and Practice" by David Sklansky.

There's a nice little section "often times you should call a flop bet with good but not great holding even if you plan to fold the turn if they 'fire another barrel."

Then he goes on to explain why calling with K5o is okay on K33 boards if it's limped and bet even though you're OOP.

Your hand still has value.

I'll play you heads up any day if you fold this flop 100% of the time in limped pots. And it'd probably be the easiest heads-up game of my life.
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03-21-2012 , 02:39 AM
lots of great advice here. it is all about on this kind of hand what you do with it determines how you end up. for some dumping it is right. and for others playing it in such a way that gives you the best chance based on your view of the opponent. there is alot to be learned here if you pick it apart.
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03-21-2012 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BNelley24
He should fold flop to the $10 bet, K2 is juat going to put him in tough situations, you really want to call 3 streets with 2 kicker in a limped pot? I try to stay clear of marginal situations like these as much as possible.
My bad. I was thinking you said preflop, sorry.

I still call this flop.
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03-21-2012 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
You really should get in the habit of peeling off a card on the flop whenever you hit a piece of the board or have a draw and the flop bet isn't that big and you still have insane implied odds.

Reason being, as the hand progresses more information becomes available. As more info becomes available, this will always favor the better player. Also, as the hand continues V's have more opportunities to make mistakes...

What happens a lot in these spots is that V will have a weak K and will bet once, get called, then shut down. Once he shuts down, we get to see turn and river cards for free. If we hit our 2p, we can bet and V will almost always pay us off with his weak King.

He will then rant, rave, curse, and call us a donk for drawing out on him, all the while he's oblivious that he misplayed the hand...

Basically, in these spots, you definitely should be peeling one off and calling weak flop bets when you have a piece of anything...
I guess it depends on the read of the villain? In the OP, my sense was that this guy was very aggressive postflop (or is that very aggressive postflop WITH TP+, I'm not really sure, but it makes a huge difference). If he's very aggressive in general, we're going to be OOP on the turn and he's going to bet again, so I'm not thrilled with the flop call in this situation.

Even if we were in position and guaranteed to get to the river for free, we're chasing a 3 outer over 2 streets (12%); even if villain has a K, methinks we don't get paid off nearly as much as we have to in order to make the flop call.

Of course, if villain is super aggro and bet/bet/betting anything in position when checked to, I guess we could call down with our TPNK, but that seems so marginal to me.
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