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10-21-2010 , 11:08 AM
Villian - he is definitely fishy but knows that I'm a tight player (announces this) and hasn't given me actioj all night and guesses my hands at the end and my hands are usually much worse than what he says.

Question - I want to see what you think is most profitable line here. Friend and I argued over it a little.

Table is getting a deck change. Effective stack =45

BB(villian)/SB (hero) post

Folds around to Hero (sb)
Hero ($45)* - Jh 9h

Call $1
Villian - XX
Raises to $10
Hero calls

Pot ($20)
As 10h 6h
Hero ?

*hero is playing off of staked money that is why stack is not reloaded. Nothing we can change there, so don't comment about that please.

Last edited by venice10; 10-21-2010 at 11:11 AM. Reason: Please, no results for 48 hours on the hand
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10-21-2010 , 11:28 AM
fold pre. as played... shove.
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10-21-2010 , 12:54 PM
As played open shoving gives you the most FE. Since you aren't folding because your so short stacked when you flop a fd, just open jam and increase your FE.

Playing J9s and especially limp/calling with it is -EV with 22.5 bbs. In the future just fold preflop. I'm not sure why you are calling off about 1/4 of your stack preflop with that hand. Any particular reason?
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10-21-2010 , 04:46 PM
calling your small blind $1 as a short stack is fine
Calling 20% of your stack on a raise with J9hh is criminal.

When you are short stack, you don't have the luxury of calling raises to see a flop.
When you are short stack, you have to play fight or flight poker. EIther you shove all in or you fold.

As played, lucky flop, shove.

Lastly, seems obvious you don't know how to play short stack. Read up on it (use the search function here). As a short stack, you don't jerk around. You look for spots to shove and double up and or steal blinds/limps.
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10-21-2010 , 10:17 PM
Do you think there is more profitable line on the flop? What about a check raise shove to his approx $15 bet (villian seemed to bet 1/2 to 3/4 pot on avg)? I know the preflop was bad, hero was playing all off image and was trying to make a move. Which I do agree that calling that pf is bad, the limp is fine imo, especially since there is more fold equity from him.
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10-21-2010 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCorona
Do you think there is more profitable line on the flop? .
Forgetting the preflop badness....

Once Hero sees this flop, with his chip stack, this is a super easy shove.

Again, when you are short stack, you don't have the luxury of f--ing around. If he can be the first one to shove, he must shove because that shove will still have some foldequity and fold equity is an enormous part of why/how semibluffs are profitable.

But in the case that someone else bets first (enough to put Hero allin) Hero has to call.

In the case of Hero trying to get cute and set up a c/r, that is a mistake. Any bet by villain will be enough to pot commit villain. That is, Hero does not have enough chips to generate fold equity with a c/r. So, Hero's best line is to be the first one to shove. And if someone beats him to it, his best line then would be to go all in and call.
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10-21-2010 , 10:55 PM
You´re OOP have 0 fold equity against a better hand, barring K or Q high, and you are shortstacked. Fold pre-flop the reasons stated should show you why calling with suited-gapped connectors OOP with a shortstack is not a good play.

Shove or fold pre-flop, i elect fold.
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10-22-2010 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TheCorona
*hero is playing off of staked money that is why stack is not reloaded. Nothing we can change there, so don't comment about that please.
but that's all i wanna comment about
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10-22-2010 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 8o8
but that's all i wanna comment about
this.. buy in full. we are 2+2ers cmon
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10-22-2010 , 12:55 AM
Yeah, I don't think that you're really deep enough to be defending with this hand out of position. If you were 100 bbs or so deep, I wouldn't have a problem with this call. If you had 100 bbs and assuming that he was sufficiently deep (i.e. a flop bet would not commit him to calling a check raise), you could just check call and re-evaluate on the turn. Or, if you think he's really tight and passive, you could check raise as a more aggressive line.
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10-22-2010 , 03:44 AM
Fold to the raise PF. If you shove the flop you are getting called by anything but air. With only $45 do you really think you can use your image to outplay this guy when your OOP and not the original raiser? I hope the person who staked you wasn't too upset.
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10-22-2010 , 04:47 AM
raise when it folds to you.

When you limp and he raises, fold.

You've got $35 left in a 20 dollar pot now. Just shove, but you should've never gotten into this spot to begin with.
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