I just sat down a few orbits ago and I don't have any reads on villain. only thing i have on him is that he is friends with another regular at the table who i talk to a good bit, not really about hands we both have a lot of similar interests. villain plays with him in home games and in a tournament league where you can win a seat to the WSOP. He's probably in his late 40s or early 50s.

I have raised and cbet and taken down a few pots on the flop but i haven't shown any of my hands so far.

effective stacks are right around $200

4 limpers, villain limps from CO, btn folds, sb folds, i make it $12 (first mistake, i hate this bet it needed to be more like $20). EVERYONE calls.
Flop: 227r
I lead out for $50 (as played i think this is a good size on this flop), folds around to V and he smooth calls.
Turn: 9
i decide to check (i didn't like the smooth call very much for some reason and i don't know V very well and he could really have atc considering he l/c after 4 callers in front of him. i'm pretty much doing this for pot control), V bets $40, I call (i can't really justify a fold here but, should i be raising? i checked for pot control so i don't really like raising)
River: 5
I decide to check again, V bets $40 again, Hero???? (with no read on V i feel like this is a pretty strong line even though the sizing on the river is small. that also makes me think he wants a call and is trying to bet for value. i just can't figure out what he would bet this river with.)

You know, raise more pf.

AP, like the flop.

AP, I just lead the turn for value. c/r only values ourselves vs a 2x hand, or 77/99 i guess are possible. So once you check it's a c/c.

AP, because we're under-repped now and did what we did ott I guess c/c?, I'm not in this spot too often. There's no point to c/r, if you check it's a c/c. I'm wondering what V makes of us c/c ott and now leading, if that would get him to call out of confusion/curiosity with hands he would have otherwise checked behind with.

This hand pretty butchered pf ott and otr. Flop is fine though.
raise more pre
flop bet is fine.
why are we not betting the turn? Just bet 70 ott so we can easily get it in otr.

As played, albeit awfully, you have to call on the river. Nothing else you can do.

As played call river

Preflop - did you have a plan for playing a premium pair oop v. five limpers ? usually you're looking to win a small-medium pot since you chances of improving to a hand strong enough to play for stacks aren't very good.

preflop make it at least $15 to $20 to go.

Flop is very safe, there are only a handful of combos of 77, A2,K2s, etc that put you way behind. Bet at least pot size,

if V calls psb on flop you may be in trouble but absent more info you're still probably ahead an a half pot bet or more would be in order.

if V calls that on turn I'd look to get to a relatively cheap showdown by checking river & calling pretty much any bet shy of a shove.

as played river is absolutely a call if not a small raise for value. You only have to be right less than 20% of the time to make a call here.

Geeneral comment - after " a few orbits" how can you not have some kind of read on the villain ?

So we're betting KK on a 227 flop to not get called? This is why we don't shove 10x pot, to be in a spot where we're only called by worse. I'm not saying don't bet pot, I'd bet close to it, but you shouldn't be betting amounts such that "we're in trouble" if we get called. Those are bluffs, not value bets.

Same thinking here. We have KK, bet/bet/bet. If a V ever makes it to the turn you assume he has a monster? I don't know why you're thinking like this.

Preflop with all the limpers (based on your evaluation on the loose-passiveness of your 1/2 game) you need to think about your standard raise size and keep it like that. $12 is obviously too little but you know that.

Flop I'm guessing is $73 and you c-bet $50? That's good.

Checking the turn is BAD. I suppose his preflop limp call then flop calling range is a bit scarier than him raising pre then us 3betting, him calling and then us continuing twice on this board because of the wider range (having more A2's K2s and all that crap they limp/call with in 1/2) but still, if we don't barrel again then we're just gonna get exploited in the long run. I'd just generalize (because we have no reads until we get some history) that he could easily have a 7 as well as a 2, or even 3's or 4's or 6's, and can still pay off a decent sized bet ott. It's 1/2.

As played call river I expect him to have a 7 quite often now with his fishy sizing, he probs put you on AQ/AK and thought his ****ty 2pair was good

When you checked the turn were you planning on folding to his shove? Which would have been about $138 into a pot of about $173 pre rake?

With an effective stack to pot ratio as it is, and your hand being what it is, "Checking for pot control" doesn't make much sense.

At this point on the hand (OTT) my goal would be to get all the money in the middle. I'm not going to be folding, (with a possible exception to a turn shove by V and I had some sort of sick soul read) so lets try to stack him the times we're good and he's willing to dance.

Just continue betting here. I'd hate to not stack him when we "could" have considering he is almost always stacking us the times he's good.

OTT we can't b/f because of stacks, (even if we bet only $50 again, we would be folding for $88 to win $361) so just bet bet bet and try to get the money in.

AP the river is a crying call, as you are good more than the 13%ish of the time you need to be to call. Maybe not by too much more though......

Thank him for not taking the last $58.:-)

In not going to comment on the pre, post and turn, it would be more of the same. So gor the river. The only decision is call or shove, never fold, the odds are good even if your beat, then considering a shove is tough because you have no read on him, so how are you going to determine whether he calls it off with less. Call>>>>>>shove. It actually works out good if he has 7x 9x 1010-QQ or air, and of he has you beat it ain't to bad either, you ended up saving money by default with his tiny value bets.

You checked the turn for pot control and so intend to get to a showdown with your over-pair. Checking the turn with your hand on that board and oop can't be a terrible play considering villain's actions in the hand so far and what they might imply about his holding. If you followed through with a turn bet then he most likely folds all his hands except fh's and trips while it also being the rare player that bluffs on that board and so a bet is unlikely to extract much more value. However, checking the turn makes your hand look weaker and so might inspire 78 or 910 and pocket pairs (1010 (might of raised pf), 88, 66, 55) to bet the turn for value or information (40:173 gives you 40:213 or ~5:1). Your turn call should let him know that most likely you've a made hand or less likely are getting stubborn with AK. Your river check and his bet shouldn't be much of a surprise particularly from a regular player. The villain's river bet might be for value (though with your turn call I'd expect it to be bigger) or the river bet is intended to look like a value bet and is actually a poorly thought out bluff (small river bet bluffs do work occasionally). Your check on the turn and river were designed to pot control and so get to showdown with your under-represented over-pair but also to induce weaker hands to bet which otherwise would fold to your continued aggression. You've succeeded and so should call (his small river bet gives you 40:293 or ~7:1 to call and so as played you've got to call). As concerns raising/shoving, would you call a player with the line pf raise from the BB, flop c-bet, turn check call and river check raise with a made pair and pair on the board? Raising is unlikely to get called by weaker hands.