Villains bet on flop was rather small for a drawy board and I would have certainly been putting in a raise to about $40 leaving yourself enough room to fold if V2 ends up shipping. Thats the only thing different that I would have done, I think you played it very passive for being Ip with the initiative. Given that V1 lead out I would have been looking to commit him otf, as played call it off on river for sure...and the reload! lol

See my thread I started today (regarding "raising for information"). We saw a flop 9ways for $15 each (although it was a 1/3 game, but still).

*Grunch*

I bet the turn for 50 or so. As played I think you have to call for only 47 more.

games sound tight/lame in Oklahoma. Cali cards for life. my standard raise is 12 all day er day.

Idk about that, Ive played at the Bike and Commerce in LA and didnt notice any difference. The games definitly are not tight here, but maybe the preflop play is all around more solid.

i don't get the problem with raising with KJo IP... you're ahead of their limp/calling range and you're going to take down a ton of hands with a cbet especially if heads up. I think this is easily +ev at 1/2 if you know how to play post flop poker.

This is 1/2. I guarantee you will be called by worse kings all the time. I play at Borgata, which is a pretty big poker room so maybe there's worse players, but I will make this play and get called by KT, K7s, K2o, 23o, whatever.

With multiple limps I value raise MORE than 6x because I assume a 6x raise often gets everyone to call with atc they limped.

The other important point is that at 1/2, villains WILL NOT GET VALUE FROM BETTER KINGS. They will not put you in tough spots, because they will frequently c/c or check back multiple streets with a limped AK or QK on K high flops. They will not CR you and put you in awful spots where you could be against combo draws or better kings or bluffs.

Against standard 1/2 fish, I don't see what's wrong with the PF raise.

You have just stated specifically why raising KJo is bad against passive fish that will check/call you down with better Kings.

So by raising with KJo against these type of villains, you are probably as likely to value own yourself as value betting against weaker Kings.

Pre's fine.

Turn check's fine.

River is a sigh call.

I think a raise on the flop would be ideal..

As played sigh call or hero fold river depends 100% on villian, call is ok.

Exactly

lol yes.. you value own yourself vs AK and KQ.... and you value town your opponents when they have KT, K9, K8, K7. sounds profitable to me.

Donk bet on Flop is most likely a draw or weak K....maybe 88-QQ? I raise her donk bet all day. She's not donking KQ here, right? She'd go for the CR.

As played, I have a hard time finding a fold here.

typically yes... but not with her, seen her bet out with 2p before. But i agree, typically that is exactly what i put them on. I put here on KQ here though unfortunately.

+1

There are 2 better kings and 9 worse kings. There are many more crap hands on the flop like middle pair, gutshots, underpairs etc that fish ABSOLUTELY will call you down with. This also ignores all of the random weak crap like 54s, 33 etc they're l/c and then c/f to a 1/3 pot cbet post.

Sometimes we're going to get trapped. I see fish l/c AA at 1/2 all the time. That doesn't mean I'm afraid to raise limpers with QQ or AQ or KJs because sometimes a fish is going to just l/c AA pre and c/c 3 streets so I value own myself. But most of the time they're playing crap, and I'm the one determining what bets go in.

They're called "trouble hands" because you'll frequently hit top pair and not know where you're at. Vs villains who play almost atc and whose only play is to check/call, they are going to have much more trouble than hero would.

LOL, what's the point of arguing when you obviously fantasize the high frequency of donks calling you down with K3o.

Not sure why you would need this forum when you're obviously getting rich off TPMK.

When did I say I was getting rich? In my last session someone called a 3b cold with 68s because "they could hit the BBJ" and another person cold called a 3b, then 2 shoves with AJo.

You're telling me 1/2 players will not l/c k3s or k8o?

Also, what does villain do with a l/c AK on a Q83 flop besides c/f to a 1/3 pot cbet. That's not profitable?

Nuklear is bang on! Raise on the flop...too many cooling cards can roll on the turn