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07-20-2017 , 07:55 PM

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LordRiverRat

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,694

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

If you cannot: 1. Describe specifically how another player's strategy varies from GTO, 2. Describe a specific exploitative play from which you will benefit, and 3. Quantify the benefit from the exploitative play and prove it is larger than the benefit from GTO,

Then you should adjust towards GTO, not away from it.

Although steps 1 to 3 make sense in theory, in practice GTO is almost never gonna be correct at 1/2. And by correct I mean the most correct.

07-20-2017 , 10:40 PM

#27

johnny_on_the_spot

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 11,700

Lol @ GTO in 1/2.

We might as we discuss the merits of differential equations in 1st grade math classes

07-20-2017 , 11:43 PM

#28

BadlyBeaten

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,300

LOL at GTO in roshambo, tic-tac-toe, and Monopoly. It works even when laughed at. It's like gravity that way.

07-20-2017 , 11:57 PM

#29

kekeeke

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,306

ok to be fair i do play GTO at monopoly

07-21-2017 , 06:04 AM

#30

LordRiverRat

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,694

BB you're more than welcome to play GTO at 1/2.

07-21-2017 , 08:41 AM

#31

BadlyBeaten

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And you're more than welcome to provide proof that GTO fails. I.e. that consistently ignoring GTO in your decisions and making non-GTO plays, pays out better.

07-21-2017 , 03:03 PM

#32

yummyhumanbrains

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 216

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

LOL at GTO in roshambo, tic-tac-toe, and Monopoly. It works even when laughed at. It's like gravity that way.

What is Monopoly GTO? I expect a lot of auctioning IMO.

Roshambo GTO is not good against randoms as rock gets thrown more than anything else. So here throwing paper is clearly better than a random throw. I'll take +EV over 0 EV all day (especially when variance is involved) but that's just me.

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07-21-2017 , 04:00 PM

#33

Jay S

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,461

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

I don't disagree with your premise, but very frequently at 1/2:
1. Villain rarely bluffs and doesn't fold marginal hands,
2. so b/f a ton for value & bluff less,
3. thereby getting lots more value from our made hands and avoiding -EV bluffs. If you can describe exactly what a GTO strategy looks like (good luck), the proof should be obvious.

07-21-2017 , 04:12 PM

#34

venice10

Referee

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 26,095

I'm locking this up because the thread has been derailed into a GTO discussion. If people want to discuss GTO further, there is a concept of the month thread on the subject that the discussion can move to.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...highlight=cotm

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