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1/2 - Flush draw + 2 over cards facing PSB 1/2 - Flush draw + 2 over cards facing PSB

07-12-2014 , 06:22 PM
PSB = Pot Sized Bet

Reads: Older guy who seems pretty aggressive both pre and post. He has raised against a few limpers to ~$18 pre flop with A8o before. My image is fine, standard TAG but just based on about 45 minutes of not too much activity.

Folds to MP to limps. I limp behind with KQ in the CO (didn't raise due to seeing MP limp with AQo before).

SB completes and villain makes it $18 in the BB. I'm the only caller. $38 in the pot, $180 effective.

Flop: 1087.

Villain bets $11 and I call.

Turn: 10874.

Villain bets $50. Hero?
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07-12-2014 , 06:49 PM
Raise flop.

As played, I don't think you have too much fold equity ott with only a min raise behind. We're around 34% vs 1 pair hands. We're getting a little better than 2:1 + a little implied odds so i'd call.
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07-12-2014 , 08:47 PM
Raise pre. You're going to play bad because the other guy is?
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07-12-2014 , 09:08 PM
You'd want to call or semibluff raise the flop based on implied odds because your draw is so strong. So here I'm going to agree with andees10 and raise the flop bc your implied odds may not be so great as the flush on the turn would be fairly obvious once hit. If you just call and miss the flop your just both just closer to commitment making your fold equity not so great. I agree with andees on both streets.
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07-12-2014 , 09:10 PM
Thats a curiously small bet otf from villian, I wonder what it could mean in terms of how balanced or unbalanced he is? I mean what hands is he betting 11 into 38 with this draw heavy a board?

Last edited by Sunnyvale; 07-12-2014 at 09:18 PM.
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07-13-2014 , 01:49 AM
raise pre, agro guy in bb thinks he can take it down or play hu. KQs ahead of much of his range here. if he still bets this flop, rr 3/4 pot back, if not u bet. if he calls-checks turn bomb him. this is all assuming you rr pre, then you can expect him to range you heavily on big pps with this line.
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07-13-2014 , 02:24 AM
Just because some of MP's limping range is ahead of your hand doesn't mean that his limping range is ahead of your hand. Or even that his L/Cing range is ahead of your hand. This seems obvious but the fact that you point this out as a reason to flat is misguided. Had you said that "I limped to invite a bunch of other limpers whose ranges I dominate," I'd be ok with that.
V's tiny bet OTF is either a blocking bet with a draw, a weak made TP type hand, or a monster trying to induce. And I'd rather find out which one it is while the pot is small. Raise the flop bet
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07-13-2014 , 08:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffaloHound
Just because some of MP's limping range is ahead of your hand doesn't mean that his limping range is ahead of your hand. Or even that his L/Cing range is ahead of your hand. This seems obvious but the fact that you point this out as a reason to flat is misguided. Had you said that "I limped to invite a bunch of other limpers whose ranges I dominate," I'd be ok with that.
V's tiny bet OTF is either a blocking bet with a draw, a weak made TP type hand, or a monster trying to induce. And I'd rather find out which one it is while the pot is small. Raise the flop bet
+1 to everything, except at the very end raising for information. Yes he should raise but regardless of villians reaction to your semi bluff wouldn't you be committed?

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07-13-2014 , 09:13 AM
Grunch:

Raise pre.
Easy value raise. And if MP wants to limp/call with AQo then that's fine. Don't stack off on Ace high boards. Value bet your made hands, bluff your missed hands and watch him fold when we want him too. Don't let him ruin a perfectly reasonable spot to raise for value.

I think that I'm limping here about 5% of the time or less. And only when I have a well known agro image and I think the table will be really sticky later and I can get lots of value from TP, and even then it's pretty rare. Just raise.

With the short stack sizes I'm just going to gii on the flop if given the chance. There is lots of dead money in the pot relative to our shorter stack. So, lets raise to $55 or so (a bit less than pot) and snap if he stuffs it of course. I'd play to be jamming most turn cards for our $117 into the $150. Maybe I'd value bet instead of shove just the A as so many of his combos can hate that turn card.

Here I'd just call the turn. We are getting exactly the right price. Have position, almost no FE I would think, and should be a piece of cake to get paid on the rest of our stack on every river that completes our hand. And yes, I think the K and Q are both still good on the turn. Smells like JJ which was doing not great on the flop vs a range of a lot of pocket pairs, but once you just flat his small flop bet he correctly deduces that you are not on a made hand yet and wants to charge you for your draws. I think if we jam, he snaps. So flat.
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