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10-04-2013 , 12:55 PM
1/2 - Eff. 450

V1 - 200 - BB - 60s, Asian Male - Been moving around the table for the past hour. Chasing draws and missing. He's already $500 into the game.

V2 - 300 - UTG - 50s Asian Male - just sat down

Hero - 550 - MP - 30s Asian Male - been flopping sets and getting paid off. Been at the table for 2 hours.

V3 - 450 - MP - 40s Euro Male - been getting super lucky on the river. He caught his 2nd pair twice with MPNK on the river when behind TPGK. Loves to splash around.


The Hand:
V2 - bets 12
Hero - calls with 22
V3 - calls
V1 - calls

Flop: ($49)
852

V1 - bets $20
V2 - calls
Hero - calls
V3 - calls

Turn: ($129)
8

V1 - checks
V2 - bets $40
Hero - calls - I know I should be raising here, but I was willing to keep everyone in the hand and make this a big pot.
V3 - folds
V1 - folds

River: ($199)
8

V2 - bets $55
Hero - ??

With v3 and v1 so draw crazy would it have been better raising the turn to isolate? I knew I was good on the turn but I did not expect to see the 8 on the river.


Let it rip...
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10-04-2013 , 01:01 PM
You need to raise either the flop or the turn to get stacks in. I don't hate the flop call, but on the turn your goal is to set up a river shove. I raise it up to 120 or so, which, if V2 calls, sets up an easy shove on the river.
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10-04-2013 , 01:14 PM
raise flop for value against villains who splash around and are too loose. you'll get called by overpairs, top pair sometimes, and the straight draw.

you should be targeting over pairs since you likely won't get much value from the rest of their range. calling flop isn't terrible since you give worse hands a chance to catch up but then you absolutely need to raise turn.

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10-04-2013 , 01:20 PM
Getting almost 5:1 on the River call.

"Hero - calls - I know I should be raising here, but I was willing to keep everyone in the hand and make this a big pot." RIO with the underboat.
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10-04-2013 , 01:20 PM
Raise the flop to 50 or so and try to build a huge pot

You as you played the flop, I would raise the turn pretty big. Since this makes your hand appear faceup imo, and some rec players fold to large raises OTT, I recommend bloating the pot on the flop.Be cognizant of your image and body language while playing; those things play a large role in other peoples actions, and as such we can further manipulate them.

On the river you lose so dont put money into the pot.
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10-04-2013 , 01:39 PM
Sets are usually the nuts on the flop, but I don't think it's a good idea to slowplay them since you give people the proper odds to draw to better hands. And a set of 2's is not that strong of a set. You're probably pretty far ahead on the flop/turn, so I would just value bet/raise. You wouldn't mind getting it all-in but you want to do that sooner than later.

Raise to $50-$60 on flop.

Assuming you got 1 caller on your flop raise and the pot is about $180, I'd bet about $120. If villian bets on turn, I'd raise like 3x or shove.

The turn card is the worst possible card. You really don't beat anything that is still playing. V probably has a higher full house or quads. At this point, all you have is a bluff catcher, and it doesn't look like he's bluffing. You get 5:1 odds to call, but I don't think it's worth it. Definitely don't shove. On river, as played, I'd fold.
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10-04-2013 , 01:41 PM
Also, I'm still pretty new, so take my analysis/bet sizing with a grain of salt...
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10-04-2013 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaphod8
The turn card is the worst possible card. You really don't beat anything that is still playing. V probably has a higher full house or quads. At this point, all you have is a bluff catcher, and it doesn't look like he's bluffing.
Huh? MUBS much? The 8 OTT changes very little, unless you think the Vs are playing 85? It's far more likely that V2 just made trips (or has 55, in which case Hero was behind all the way).

Now the river card, yeah THAT is really the worst possible card. AP fold, little too much FPS on prior streets to justify a call here.
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10-04-2013 , 05:05 PM
Definitely raise the flop. Players are more likely to call a flop raise with 8x or a weakoverpair (which, as Duke pointed out, is the part of the range you should be targeting) than a turn raise when a higher card comes out and their pair is no longer top or over. And flat flop, raise turn is a very scary line in general that telegraphs 2pair+ to many players.
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10-04-2013 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaphod8
Sets are usually the nuts on the flop, but I don't think it's a good idea to slowplay them since you give people the proper odds to draw to better hands. And a set of 2's is not that strong of a set. You're probably pretty far ahead on the flop/turn, so I would just value bet/raise. You wouldn't mind getting it all-in but you want to do that sooner than later.

Raise to $50-$60 on flop.

Assuming you got 1 caller on your flop raise and the pot is about $180, I'd bet about $120. If villian bets on turn, I'd raise like 3x or shove.

The turn card is the worst possible card. You really don't beat anything that is still playing. V probably has a higher full house or quads. At this point, all you have is a bluff catcher, and it doesn't look like he's bluffing. You get 5:1 odds to call, but I don't think it's worth it. Definitely don't shove. On river, as played, I'd fold.
The turn card is the best possible card!!

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10-04-2013 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaphod8
The turn card is the worst possible card. You really don't beat anything that is still playing. V probably has a higher full house or quads. At this point, all you have is a bluff catcher, and it doesn't look like he's bluffing. You get 5:1 odds to call, but I don't think it's worth it. Definitely don't shove. On river, as played, I'd fold.
Not sure if serious....turn is best card in the deck since 8x is almost never folding.
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10-04-2013 , 11:48 PM
Sorry, just a typo. I meant "river" card is the worst possible card...
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