The game is 1/2 max buy-in 200. Ive got 400 and face a villian who has me covered. Ive only seen about 10 hands so far (just came from a broken table) but have noticed the villain being very aggressive since i sat down.

Hero is dealt 66 in the bb, villain makes it 10 to go from the button and gets 4 callers including myself.

The flop comes 6sQh2h


Being first to act, i decide to bet 25, ive flopped a set, and want to protect against the flush draw. Everyone folds except villain who calls.

The turn is 10s (6sQh2h)

I now bet 50, villain calls.

The river 10h(10s6sQh2h)

Full house! I check, hoping villian has hit there flush or senses weakness from hero and makes a bet to take the pot. Villain takes his time and declares all in....



Hero ???

I call. The only hand that beats me in QT, and I don't see that flatting the turn. He would most likely try to raise you on the turn with that hand to charge draws. He probably has something around the nut flush or if he's really bad maybe AT and thinks he's good on the river. You underrepresented your hand by checking the river, so you might have convinced him there is no way that you can have a house in this spot. You have to call imo.

Bet more than 1/2 pot on the flop. Something closer to 40-50.

Again, bet more on the turn.

Checking the river is awful without a read. You're basically saying I hope you have a flush. Anything else in his range can check behind a lot, but it might call a bet.

You should have been nearly all-in by bet/bet/betting here.

What to do in the situation you are in is much less meaningful than your failure to build a pot with a big hand.

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Call and say:

"You're right, I don't have hearts. 6's full, Mike."

I also call preflop. Stacks are good, plus obviously looks like a table that goes multiway.

This is the third time today I've hated the flop bet size. Long story short: when we flop ~nuttish hands in multiway pots on drawy boards, pot the flop. Anything less is really really horrible. I like the donk cuz there's no guarantee the raiser is going to cbet in a 5way pot, but for crying out loud, pot the thing.

I'm not in love with our 1/2 PSB on the turn either. Villain could now have a flush draw + straight draw, plus we've got big stacks. Also, this $50 bet only creates a $200 pot with $315 behind, so we can't play for stacks by the river without a huge overbet. I probably pot the turn, thus creating a $300 pot with an easy $265 shove for the river.

Omg, I hate the turn river check. If he's hit a flush (which is quite likely), he then gets to decide the price he pays on the river and might be able to get away from a check/raise. Otherwise, he gets to check behind with scared hands like TP / overpair. With the flush draw being the most likely draw he was on and it now coming in, I overbet shove the river for maximum value.

Our river check is going to be taken as extremely weak. And even though the all-in is an overbet, which seems weird for a flush to do (you'd think they'd just bet for smallish value not expecting a river checker to pay off a large bet), I'm still snap calling here. I'd also think the QQ/QT would raise the turn. In real life, I'm expecting to be ahead here like almost always; in a posted forum (where usually only losing hands are posted) I realize we're probably never good. If we did lose this hand, even though it is for 200bbs, it is a bit of a cooler in a raised pot, so I'm not really sure how we avoid it.

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^ agree with GG, except for sizing which depends on villain. Charge V whatever you think he'll pay though. Make him make bigger mistakes.

Bet for value and hope he makes the mistake of raising you all in on the river. Checking river is awful, missing out on so much value from maybe a strong Q which is now scared of the flush coming in.

As played, i laugh out loud as i'm calling.

I called, villian showed QQo

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Wow...talk about being trapped. Yeh this is just unlucky.

Blah your telling me, i had actually decided before this hand i was going to leave due to it being so late/having made a small profit, and then this happens...but we have all heard that story lol i just havent figured out how to avoid these situations or are they just bound to happen?

In retrospect if the heart hadn't paired the board im pretty sure a bet on the river gets villian to fold set,
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Can't win every hand and can't avoid coolers. Trying to avoid them will result in diminishing return.

Just to give you some perspective, I expect to walk away a loser many times this year and lose at least 40k in those sessions.

There is a misconception that good players don't lose, and that's just as bad as always playing as a nit.

He never folds the QQ here on the river on a non-pairing flush card. People don't fold sets, especially passively played ones that they've intentionally underrepped to trap on later streets.

Your thinking is also a little wack. So if a non-pairing flush card comes in you're betting your set as a bluff on the river? (hint: it's a bet for value as you are expecting worse hands to call; if we get raised, we can probably safely fold against most villains)

Fair enough, i guess a better question would be how does one get away from set vs set when on the losing side? Or do we accept these situations as coolers cause obviously there not a "common" occurance

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Flopped set over set is simply a cooler; we'll rarely get away from them unless the board runs out horrible.

Small pocket pairs are a little tricky. With 100bb stacks and facing small raises they play really well cuz villains will spew 100bb stacks very easily. But as stacks become larger and larger, villains are less likely to spew their whole stack (at least good villains). I'm not exactly sure where the magic line is, but there is probably some stack size to where we might not want to be playing for stacks and perhaps even think of pot controlling against better opponents. But none of this applies in this hand, imo.

100bb deep you should never ever be folding a set unless you've got either great reads or the board is horrendous.

eg, you hold 55 and board comes AK5JT then we can safely fold when they reraise us all in on the river.

If the board isn't sopping wet you have to get it all in when you hit your set.

+1

I think it was Brunson who said if you flop set under set and don't lose a buy in, you've made a huge mistake.

This changes obv if you're 200bb+