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05-02-2013 , 11:42 AM
Hero - playing tight. Only played a couple hands in 2 hours. Not getting many good starting hands, folding a lot. Took a nice pot not too long ago. Stack $175

Villian - Asian guy mid twenties, playing pretty tight. Only seen him play three hands, and folded to a Cbet each time. Stack $160

3 limpers, Villian in MP raises to 10, folded to Hero who looks down a QcQs makes it 25, everybody folds, villian calls.

Flop: Th, 9c, Jh ($56)

Villian bets 20, Hero raises to 40.

Turn: Jd ($136)

Villian: All in ($95)

Hero? ($110 left)

I am thnking he may have a jack,two jacks?? flush draw?

This is my first time posting a hand sorry if I missed something.

Last edited by pawillis; 05-02-2013 at 12:03 PM.
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05-02-2013 , 11:52 AM
include stack sizes on each street and also whether or not you hold the Qh.

go 30-35 pre.

I'd make a committing raise on this flop to 80. what are you really trying to accomplish with the min raise here? your opponent only has 80bb. your only goal in this hand is to get it in as fast as possible when your equity is strongest. if he out flops you or has KKs or AAs and gets tricky with it, not much you can do playing this short.
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05-02-2013 , 11:56 AM
grunch: call

your stack is small enough that you'd be shoving if he didn't. he could certainly have a J, but getting 2.5-1 on your money here, you only need to be good about 30% of the time. i think you probably are.
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05-02-2013 , 12:01 PM
I don't see too many Jacks in his range given his tight image. JJ is a possibility, but I'm not sure he shoves that on the turn. I'm not sure he would have called the three-bet OOP pre-flop with AJ, and if he's only played 3 hands I don't see him raising with QJ or JT pre-flop.

I like him for TT here, maybe QQ (which is unlikely since you have the other two). Maybe 99, but I'm not sure he raises that pre-flop. He could play AA or KK that way, but it seems less likely. Either way, I don't see him shoving here with anything you beat. If I did my math right you are getting about 2.5:1 on your call. Even if you knew your outs were good that isn't enough, and I certainly don't think you can count on a straight winning this pot right now.

Clear fold, IMO.

Last edited by TheBenfer; 05-02-2013 at 12:03 PM. Reason: Corrected my odds. Oops.
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05-02-2013 , 12:03 PM
Bigger raise pre is a must and the min raise on the flop is pointless I think a 3x raise otf is a much better play
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05-02-2013 , 12:05 PM
How big of a raise pre?
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05-02-2013 , 12:07 PM
Spoiler:
Well I called, he has AA. 6c on the river.

I think a bigger raise on the flop would have had him fold. Any way I can shove the flop?

Last edited by pawillis; 05-02-2013 at 12:33 PM.
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05-02-2013 , 12:18 PM
What did your flop raise accomplish?

You're not beating that much of his range on the turn unless he is bluffy with AK-AQ.
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05-02-2013 , 12:19 PM
Ok you posted results too soon although it's really what I expected.

I think you're probably kidding yourself if you think he's folding that to a flop raise. I'd flat the flop.
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05-02-2013 , 12:26 PM
I don't like the sizing on the flop. Your raise is sort of indiscriminate. Since V is a somewhat competent player, I am going to raise and try to force him into a push-fold situation. He has $115 left in his stack, so I am going to raise to about $85 (shipping is fine too). This makes the hand pretty easy for you if he does call.

As played:

Once he bet small and then didn't ship your re-raise, there is no way he has a set here on that wet of board. He is always getting in on the flop, 110% of the time.

A J is probably a large portion of his range where he would donk out with and just call your raise. So then, it is a simple math problem. I think you need about 30% equity to make a call here and you don't have that, so it is pretty easy fold.
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05-02-2013 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
Ok you posted results too soon although it's really what I expected.

I think you're probably kidding yourself if you think he's folding that to a flop raise. I'd flat the flop.
whats your plan for the rest of the hand if you flat?
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05-02-2013 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
whats your plan for the rest of the hand if you flat?
Play it slow.

Tight guy open raises and calls a 3 bet, then donks flop. What range are we putting him on, exactly?
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05-02-2013 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
Play it slow.

Tight guy open raises and calls a 3 bet, then donks flop. What range are we putting him on, exactly?
i agree he has a pretty strong range otf. but we start this hand 80bb eff and a turn and river bet can easily get stacks in. once we call otf pot is 90 and V only has 115 left.

are you folding unimproved by the river when you may be getting something like 3 to 1 on a call or better?
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05-02-2013 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
i agree he has a pretty strong range otf. but we start this hand 80bb eff and a turn and river bet can easily get stacks in. once we call otf pot is 90 and V only has 115 left.

are you folding unimproved by the river when you may be getting something like 3 to 1 on a call or better?
Depends on his line.

I'd like to get 2 free streets here, and I don't think a flop raise really accomplishes that versus anything that is beating us.
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05-02-2013 , 11:03 PM
Just jam the flop and stop thinking. Or raise to $80 and call it off/get it in on the turn.

Also, how much time do we have vs Villain. Your description is that he's tight, but then you say you've only seen him play 3 hands where he folded to a c-bet each time. Which means he had to either limp/call/check/fold or raise/call/check/fold (or I guess just call a raise and fold to a bet etc...). Which doesn't scream TAG to me.
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05-02-2013 , 11:50 PM
Grunch--I haven't looked at the results yet, but a tight, fit-and-fold player bets AI even after your flop raise...you are good way less than 30% of the time...FOLD
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05-03-2013 , 09:28 AM
You got unlucky he got the AA but he's a fish I think the way he's playing his big pair. On flops like T, 9, J and others similar where 3 card straight or flush gets on the board all at once, the AA lose lots of glory and should be played slow. Your hand actually got better because of the redraw for a straight plus one of the two queens for FH.

AK
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