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1/2 flop two pairs otf vs a all-in 1/2 flop two pairs otf vs a all-in

07-25-2013 , 01:25 AM
Hero $335 ( 115bb)
Villain $235 (115bb)

Read on villain is a fish n plays his hand face up and also will stack off with marginal hand.

Utg limp, utg2 limp, fold, mp1 limp, fold , fold, CO limp, Hero button 9♥7♥ raise to $15,Villain SB calls and BB folds and everyone else called

Flop 9♦7♣A♠ (pot $92)
Everyone checks to Hero an Hero makes it $35 to go, villain all-in for 185 more.

Hero got has blocker for 9 and 7. Where is villain here and can villain find a fold here?
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07-25-2013 , 01:56 AM
You're are getting about 2:1 on a call here. You said he is willing to stack off with a marginal hand so I assume you can put AK AQ AJ in his range to off set some of the A7 and A9 that is also in his range. I think its a call none the less if you really think he is willing to stack off as weak as TPGK

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07-25-2013 , 02:08 AM
fold imo, guy prolly trapped you with his AA.. wait for a better spot.
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07-25-2013 , 02:13 AM
How do you know this Villain stacks off light? Against who? What was the situation? It would also be nice to know how the Villain has seen you play, and whether or not he adjusts.

Without more information this is a call against the villain you're describing. Also, playing your hands face up does not make you a fish at 1/2.
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07-25-2013 , 02:17 AM
Raise more preflop,bet more on flop and call a shove since he is willing to stack off with marginal hands.
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07-25-2013 , 08:09 AM
snap call.
OP, think one action ahead. obv you are betting this flop, but how will you react to a raise? you will have either a b/fold or a b/call range. this hand definitely should be in your b/call range.

also, bet more, ridiculous sizing otf.
preflop: if you want to steal, raise more. normally i would overlimp.
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07-25-2013 , 09:04 AM
weird sizing on the flop. Why did you go for such a small bet OP?

We flopped 2 pair on an A high board playing shallow stacks and a fishy guy shoves. Easy call.
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07-25-2013 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny2toes
weird sizing on the flop. Why did you go for such a small bet OP?

We flopped 2 pair on an A high board playing shallow stacks and a fishy guy shoves. Easy call.
Because I know if I bet small here that someone will over play there Ace. Board was dry n I was not scared of any hands here.
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07-25-2013 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 7+2=Fish
Because I know if I bet small here that someone will over play there Ace. Board was dry n I was not scared of any hands here.
Ok. Not sure I agree, but fair enough. Then why not snap call and be happy about it, why make a thread??
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07-25-2013 , 10:04 AM
Hate most of the hand. With this many limpers raising pre serves little purpose. You create a low SPR with a hand that is probably an equity dog. Position doesn't really count for much 6 way with an SPR of 2.5 (and probably several villains who are even shorter.

On this flop the sizing is terrible. Super multiway the chance of all the draws being out there are much higher and also the chance of somebody with an ace. Bet 75.

As played you say fish plays his hand face up so how come you don't know what to do?
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07-25-2013 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 7+2=Fish
Because I know if I bet small here that someone will over play there Ace. Board was dry n I was not scared of any hands here.
So we have a plan to bet small so someone will overplay an A...then someone does exactly what we want and now we don't know if we want him too? sux he had a9 and beat you but its going to happen,

if you think he is gunna stack off with aq aj ak a10, he probably still will if u just bet 75 on the flop and jam turn
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07-25-2013 , 12:13 PM
Villain would also do this with T8. Definitely not AA. I would not call. Villain would raise AJ+ preflop and limp with AT- I think youre looking at A7, A9 or some other ace that could beat you on a later street. I fold because I dont like rolling the dice against fish.
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07-25-2013 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny2toes
Ok. Not sure I agree, but fair enough. Then why not snap call and be happy about it, why make a thread??
Because it ran out K of clubs then another King OTR. I was wondering if I can find a fold otf. I doubt it but I did put his range with at least A7 at the most. It is within his range, but I don't think villain is good enough to jam off strong otf like he did.
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07-25-2013 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
Hate most of the hand. With this many limpers raising pre serves little purpose. You create a low SPR with a hand that is probably an equity dog. Position doesn't really count for much 6 way with an SPR of 2.5 (and probably several villains who are even shorter.

On this flop the sizing is terrible. Super multiway the chance of all the draws being out there are much higher and also the chance of somebody with an ace. Bet 75.

As played you say fish plays his hand face up so how come you don't know what to do?
You are right at the sizing of my bet and that why I didn't snap call because I didn't think I was getting the right odds for bottom two. It took me couple of seconds to call but I knew I was ahead but I think the sizing of my bet made me second guess the call I guess
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07-26-2013 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
Hate most of the hand. With this many limpers raising pre serves little purpose. You create a low SPR with a hand that is probably an equity dog. Position doesn't really count for much 6 way with an SPR of 2.5 (and probably several villains who are even shorter.

On this flop the sizing is terrible. Super multiway the chance of all the draws being out there are much higher and also the chance of somebody with an ace. Bet 75.

As played you say fish plays his hand face up so how come you don't know what to do?
There is so much win in this post its ridiculous. Read this post and close the thread in my opinion. With that being said before we close the thread I will add two cents for good measure.

In looking back at this hand away from the table and the moment, can you articulate and verbalize WHY you raised preflop?

I havent played 1/2 in a while but from my memories, it is a limp/calling machine. Given what little we know about the table, we can expect this to go 4-5 ways to the flop with a hand that is likely to flop 2nd or 3rd pair and cause us some very uncomfortable moments on the flop or even worse the turn if we manage to get there.

1/2nl is a game of value, value, value. We dont need to isolate with 97s because we havent been "active". The only person at the table that knows how active you have been is you. No one else cares, they are focusing on their cards not yours. Its probable that if you asked the four people to your immediate right how many hands you have played in the last hour you would get four completely different answers ranging from 1 - 10. My point is, treat it as a simple game.

As played, bet $65 on the flop and snap his jam pretty quickly. When you run into A9 or A7, go back and ask yourself that question of WHY we did what we did pre one more time
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07-26-2013 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
Hate most of the hand. With this many limpers raising pre serves little purpose. You create a low SPR with a hand that is probably an equity dog. Position doesn't really count for much 6 way with an SPR of 2.5 (and probably several villains who are even shorter.

On this flop the sizing is terrible. Super multiway the chance of all the draws being out there are much higher and also the chance of somebody with an ace. Bet 75.

As played you say fish plays his hand face up so how come you don't know what to do?
best. post. ever.
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