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1/2 Flop trip aces in 3bet pot  - bet size evaluation please. 1/2 Flop trip aces in 3bet pot  - bet size evaluation please.

02-17-2015 , 02:56 PM
This is fairly straight forward hand. Not 100% happy with my turn bet sizing and am looking for a few opinions.

H 40 something long haired hippie look. Playing a bit more aggressive than my normal game due to combination of winning image and weak table. I'm the only person at the table with a 3bet range wider than AA, so far haven't been caught 3betting light, even though I am light a fair bit.

V 20 something Asian kid, basic ABC player. Opens more often than others in the table, is definitely aware of and influenced by position. Sitting to hero's direct right. Haven't seen him get crazy or play any interesting big pots.

2 random limps
V (~260) CO raises to 12
H (~800) btn 3bets to 35 with A,Q off no diamonds
Folds to V who is clearly a bit uncertain before saying I will play with you, call
Flop (77) A,A,9dd
V checks
H bets 55
V hesitates then calls
Turn (187) 6x
V checks

Hero bets how much and why? As always, comments on any other action is also welcome.

Thanks

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02-17-2015 , 02:59 PM
You've only got a PSB left, and I doubt he's folding any A to a jam. I'd just get it in.
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02-17-2015 , 03:07 PM
He's got 175 and pots 185+.... Don't even shove your pot, just say you're all in and he's covered, wait for the fold or the double-up if diamonds miss
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02-17-2015 , 03:08 PM
On the turn, Villain has $170 left. I just shove....looks more like a bluff than betting out $80 and trying to fire again on river to get paid off. Either that or fire out $100 and hope he feels pot committed to call the river with a pocket pair. Either way, if he doesn't have an Ace...think you're only getting one more street out of him in most scenarios given stack sizes.

Hand looks fine up until then given Hero's image...
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02-17-2015 , 03:25 PM
If we plan to shove the turn we should bet the flop a bit bigger.
Two move even sized bets are going to be more palletable to most villains.
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02-17-2015 , 03:37 PM
Put V all in. If V will call a $120 bet, he'll call a $170. Get more money in to maximize value.
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02-17-2015 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
If we plan to shove the turn we should bet the flop a bit bigger.
Two move even sized bets are going to be more palletable to most villains.
Agree there is merit to your suggestion.

Honestly on the flop my only thought at the time was what is the biggest bet I can make that could be called by either
- flush draw (least likely to call a big bet)
- an ace (always at least calling)
- 1010-JJ thinking I might be c-bet bluffing (more likely to call bet size that looks bluffy)

I'm not getting any value from anything else, so why bother thinking n about it.

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02-17-2015 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OSUTexan
On the turn, Villain has $170 left. I just shove....looks more like a bluff than betting out $80 and trying to fire again on river to get paid off. Either that or fire out $100 and hope he feels pot committed to call the river with a pocket pair. Either way, if he doesn't have an Ace...think you're only getting one more street out of him in most scenarios given stack sizes.
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This was exactly my thinking at the time. Didn't think I could get 3 streets from a worse hand.

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02-17-2015 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
If we plan to shove the turn we should bet the flop a bit bigger.
Two move even sized bets are going to be more palletable to most villains.
How much bigger could we really go though? $70 or $75 I would think would be the absolute max. Does Zippy think V would call that on a draw or with 1010 or JJ?

I do think if you just say all in on the turn, there are definitely some v's that will call thinking it's a bluff.
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02-17-2015 , 07:06 PM
Just go all in. No amount. It looks a little more bluffy, and he might call w/ worse. If he has better, so be it.
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02-17-2015 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead

2 random limps
V (~260) CO raises to 12
H (~800) btn 3bets to 35 with A,Q off no diamonds
Folds to V who is clearly a bit uncertain before saying I will play with you, call
Flop (77) A,A,9dd
V checks
H bets 55
V hesitates then calls
Turn (187) 6x
V checks

Hero bets how much and why?

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Since this was a rather straight forward hand so far, I'm going to post results now.

Hero looks at villain's stack and decides shove is most likely to be interpreted as a bluff by 1010-QQ and don't see an ace folding. Therefore I verbally announce all in. Villain calls, but not snap call and seemed a bit uncomfortable. I was a thousand percent sure I was ahead.

I asked v if he has an ace, he responded yes so I figure A10 or AJ. Well wasn't I disappointed to see him turn over AK. River bricks and villain scopes.

Not upset about the cooler at all. It was his mannerisms, being uncomfortable and scared that had me second guessing myself after the fact. Running through my mind was - does he ever call with worse based live reads I picked up during the hand - and more live reads during the following couple of hours?

So I beat AJ, A10, A2-5 and A7-8
I lose to AK, A9, A6, 99 and 66

Out of those the smaller aces unsuited can probably be discounted along with 66 (66 doesn't raise pre, call 3! And call c-bet)

Combinations we beat
A10- 4
AJ - 4
A2-5 suited 4
A7-8 suited 2

Combinations that beat us
AK - 4
A9 - 3
A6 - 3
99 - 3

Very close. Could also make an argument for discounting one or 2 of the smaller suited aces due to both opening pre and calling my 3!.

Is my range that he would call with too narrow? Do i also add 1010-QQ or even KK into this guy's turn calling range? Am I letting results talk me into leveling myself?

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02-17-2015 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
If we plan to shove the turn we should bet the flop a bit bigger.
Two move even sized bets are going to be more palletable to most villains.
+1
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02-17-2015 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead
Am I letting results talk me into leveling myself?
Yes.
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02-17-2015 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
If we plan to shove the turn we should bet the flop a bit bigger.
Two move even sized bets are going to be more palletable to most villains.
+1 even $10 more on the flop makes a substantial difference to set up stacks for the next street. It's something I have been strying to work on more myself. However, I feel you played it well.
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02-17-2015 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Yes.
Could be, what range do you think would call the turn shove?

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02-17-2015 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead
Could be, what range do you think would call the turn shove?
Ax, KK, XdXd, possibly QQ.

I'm not sure he is necessarily putting you on an A here, but I'm not sure we can put JJ or TT in his range, possibly 1 combo of each to account for spew.

Truth is he is too short OTT for you to do anything else, if you had KK here, I'm not sure you can find a fold, not with dd OTF.
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