Hero's Image is a loose aggressive young asian kid

the table is basically composed of loose passive older gentlemen and late 20's idiots
Villian is somewhat tilted from being card dead for several hours, he is somewhat competent with a stack of ~560

blinds are 1-2 and hero stack is ~750

Hero is UTG with AQ and makes it 17 to go
2 Callers
Villian makes it 50 in the BTN
Hero Calls , rest folds

Board
A92
Hero Bets 35
Villian Calls

Turn
3
Hero bets 55
Villian Calls

River 9
Hero bets 110
Villian shoves

Okay, so leading for 35 is "way" to small, but villain is a nit and his most common holdings are probably JJ+ and a slim chance of AKs
He nor the rest of the table has been reraising AK preflop and plays it almost as a small PP hoping to hit.
The lead for 35 is to get value from JJ+ believing that he can't fold.
When he flat calls the flop the turn doesn't change anything as 45, 3's, 2's isn't usually within his range.
The turn is a small bet to extract more value, once he flats the turn his hand is pretty faced up?
The river all in kinda surprised me.
Is the river a c/c instead of a bet?
Also is the river a snap since the only hand he truly represents is the last combo of AA? with a slight possibility of AK? i feel that AK flats more times than raises.


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When nits overbet shove the river, I fold.

Pot has like 500 he's shoving ~300ish. And your putting him on the only combo of AA? Wouldn't most reraise the turn? With the draw possibilities

If the guy is really nitty I might not call his 3bet. I also don't donk out.

KQ is the only flush draw that I can see re-raising preflop, and the board doesn't have any draws, other than an outrageous LAGtard draw, but this is a nit.

So I think villain's range is mostly big ace and AA. Good spot to say bye bye.

You don't say what form of tilt you think he's on, but in general I think it's a mistake to donk the flop thinking a nit can't lay down JJ.

So you donked and got called. I'd start considering the possibility that he has an A, and if he does, it's certainly not worse than yours (small chance of a chop, small chance he has AA, much larger chance he has AK)

On the turn you bet tiny again and he just calls. Do you still put him on JJ? he's either got AK and is worried that you have some crazy A9, or he's got AA and is slow-playing. (Maybe he thinks you're putting out blocking bets with a flush draw. If so, he's playing it badly by letting you set the price, but you said he's tilting, so maybe he wants to wait and see if the hits.)

You bet the river (very bad, imo) and he shoves. What could he possibly have that you beat?

Any bets I put in would be B/Fs, especially the river

^ +1. If he's somewhat nitty....and tilted as you say....I may call PF in spite of being OOP & re-eval on flop.

As played...I wouldn't donk any street. Try and control pot if he has AK / AA....and let him hang himself if making a move.

So did you lay down the hand and villain flips over Q/J or 10/J of hearts?

Donking out is silly. If he's a nit he's folding worse and calling qwith better.

Why the **** would we think nits would over-shove our river-bet with AK? We've been betting all along and the board is paired = nits gonna flat. He does this for value with AA. I think a random 9x that he got frustrated with preflop is more likely than AK, but also minimal. I'm calling and expecting to see something I wasn't expecting.

anyway i called and saw KK ,

hes a nit , not a tag, i think he checks back all JJ+ hands on the flop. thats the reason for the lead.

So you want him to put you in an absolutely gross spot with a one-pair hand?

And he would check back JJ+ when you show weakness by checking to him despite being tilted enough to shove on an ace-high board when you fire 3 barrels at him?

Against a normal villain, your lead gets less value out of the villain than if you had checked to him and let him bet into you, or checked the flop and bet the turn.


In either case, why are you concerned about getting 3 streets of value out of a NIT with TP2K? That is why you check the flop, you almost want him to either check behind or put you in a position to bluff catch 3 streets for an amount less than his entire stack.

Check/call, check/call, check/call is so much better against a bluffbox than donk, bet, bet/puke call. The bluffbox wants to be able to control the hand, and it is usually the difference between getting 1 and 2 streets of value.

make a read and call or fold. you only beat a bluff.

I like the check/call line here the best, my question is how much does he have to bet to get us to fold? If he fires 3 streets doesn't he most of the time have us beat? Also, if he checks behind on the turn, are we bet/folding the river?

fold pre.

Maybe, maybe not. I remember a hand a month or so ago ... I had a middling/weak ace and flopped top pair. Flop was A43, all diamonds. Turn was a 10, river an 8. I had A9.

I called the flop lead, called the turn and called what amounted to a river shove (left me with $10 behind; forget why I didn't shove - lol.). He flipped up Kh Kd. He was very aggressive but I could just tell by looking at him I was ahead on the river. The longer I took, the more he looked beat. Everyone at the table was like, 'Good call.' And all I could think of was that I got ridiculously lucky. The more I think about it, the more I think it was just a donkey/frustration call down until the river. Then it was about the read.

very true, so given that line what would u do? the check/call, check/call, river shove

i think i bet/fold this river. his shove is like $300 more to you. i don't see how he's doing that without AA. He flopped the nuts and let you lead the action. He's hoping like heck you have AK and can't fold it. Does he have AK here? Even if he does, he's still got you beat. I fold and say NH.

Dude this guy is a nit. Regardless of your "reads" on AK, this looks like AK almost everytime