Hero (~900) mid-late 20's white guy. Only shown down strong/nutted hands when I get it in, but drinking a little and am probably more loud than the rest of the table except for V1 so who knows how people see me. Me and V1 have been involved a lot.

V1 (~320) mid-30s white guy to my direct left. Had 700-800 when I got here but is drinking and playing up a kind of maniac image. I got him to stack off to me twice, first with a7ss on an A36J board where I raised pre and then bet flop and turn and he shoved over my turn bet with A5o and I held. Basically 2-3 hands after I got him again when I slowed down with KK pre and then got him to 3b my c/r on a 899 flop, he agonized when I put in the c/r and then shoved with Q10o and has been berating himself. When he has taken the lead in pots from the start he usually has something, but I'm just trying to let him overplay his weak made hands and going for fat value.

V2 (~150) 30's white guy seems like a reg but sat down with 200 and hasn't topped off and is playing kind of tight. No showdowns yet that i've seen. Seems half competent I guess.

The Hand:

A limp or two, Hero raises to $12 with A7 in LP. V1 calls, V1 calls.

Flop (~35) 46J
V2 check, Hero bets 20, V1 all in for 276, V2 all in for 125.

It seems unlikely that we'll have all our diamonds, or that our ace is good if we hit it. V1 has only spazzed before when I let him hang himself, haven't seen him make a play like this in the 2+ hours I've been at table, and regardless of his diminished stack he doesn't really appear to be on tilt.

Hero? It's 256 to me to win ~455.

Calling.

Pretty spastic ship by V1. I think his range can be a bit wider than you think, and I don't think a set is likely. You can even have the best hand vs. worse diamond draws.

It's not really 455:256 because you have to think about the main pot and side pot.

You're getting awesome odds in the main pot (305:105).

I think you well in the side pot vs. the maniac because he's a maniac and you have the nut flush draw, a backdoor straight draw, and an over card to the board.

Fold you are super crushed a lot by sets and two paor

pretty trivial fold esp against a player you're trying to get value from w made hands

I would either bet flop a little bigger or cr if i knew they were going to bet...

If you lead out for closer to pot its actually a no-brainer call...

As played... Still a call

Folding here is actually costing you $ if you know how to calc odds..

I agree with all of this except the end. We are getting great odds in the main pot, and I think its reasonable that we win 1/3 of the time, but it's only about +$30 in ev. However I don't think we're doing nearly as well in the side as you do.
Best case scenario imo is that we're up against a hand like jxdd and we're about 40%, which would make it -$30 in ev (151:151). He's never doing this with a naked flush draw (he overplays weak MADE hands remember, and this huge over bet isn't consistent with his previous spazzing). I think the majority of his range is 2p and pair+fd.

^What about the QT hand? That was an overplay of a bad draw, which seems to suggest he's capable of showing up with a naked flush draw here.

Wow I think you guys are so wrong. This is nowhere near a trivial fold with these pot odds, a villain that tends to spew and so many outs to an ace high flush (plus possibly a few more outs).

This is a good point and I'll try to explain my thought process:

In that hand he took what should be a reasonably credible line by 3b my opener pre and then I checked/minish raised on the flop so my read was he thought he had some fold equity by basically repping my hand.

He has seemed much less interested in playing back at me since then.

umm homie, you need 36% equity in the whole pot in order for this to be break even. if you just want to consider your equity in the sidepot against V1, you're calling 256 to win 151 and need 63% equity just to get it in against V1 for the side. you need to be pretty sure he's spazzing here to call with A hi.

keep in mind, we try not to play for break-even against spaz-fish. we try to get it in massively crushing them.

pretty much the only situation where you're going to make real profit (not break-even) is when V1 is on a complete spaz jam and V2 is spaz calling with a worse FD and no pair. since that is a pretty unlikely combination of events, and since to me it's most likely that at least some (if not all) of the following are true: you have fewer than 9 outs to your flush, at least one player has a pair better than 7, your A out isn't clean, your flush will only hold on unpaired boards, you often have the worst hand in both the main and sidepot ... since some combination of those are true (wait for it)

this is a pretty trivial fold, ESPECIALLY when your strategy is to take V1 to value town.

See my bold. That can't be right man. You never need more than 50% equity to break-even because you are always at most contributing an equal amount to the pot size... so there's no way you could ever require 63%.

The side pot is dry, so you're actually calling 151 to win 151 - it's 1:1, and yes, you need 50% equity. And we've seen V1 go absolutely crazy with all sorts of hands.. QTo on 889, etc., etc. We have the best hand, a dominating flush draw, a live A, etc., often enough that I feel pretty good we have more than enough equity in the pots.