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1/2 Confused by Bluff 1/2 Confused by Bluff

03-05-2019 , 01:14 PM
So I had 87s in bb, $300, tight nonaggressive image (card dead)
V was a bad player raises to 7 pre with AA, AK and raises a tight range. He typically cbets 1/4 pot and plays passive. He is short has $140 (I would prefer he was deeper)

So V raises 7, two call and I call

Flop (28)
T99r

V cbets 20 (weird sizing) folds to me, I can’t jam here right? So if I bluff I need to go two streets.

I raise to 50.
He calls.

Turn (128)
7

I jam 83 and he folds.

My thoughts
1) my bluffs are 87s and QJs. I have a ton of 9x and a few J8s. I am targeting overpairs, however, if I was V I am sigh calling my overpairs.

So is this a leak to call overpairs or is it a bad spot to bluff with 87?
Or is this just a good range where I am indifferent to getting called by V?

2) I feel like my typical bluffs here I jam to apply max pressure, whereas my 9x I take V to value town and go three streets. This has to be a leak right? I doubt many people playing 1/2 with me even know I do this.
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03-05-2019 , 01:54 PM
you're not generating any folds with that raise size on the flop, if you do raise , go much bigger

I don't think raising the flop is a very good idea here at all bc if has a strong range here then you're getting good price to call given the IO

If you're targeting over-pairs , that's not a very good idea bc they will mostly just call off

I think this is just one of those passive players that can be pushed off these hands sometimes in spots where calling is pretty stnd given the pot odds
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03-05-2019 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tmo1120
you're not generating any folds with that raise size on the flop, if you do raise , go much bigger

I don't think raising the flop is a very good idea here at all bc if has a strong range here then you're getting good price to call given the IO
I’m not trying to generate folds on the flop, I’m trying to tell the story I have a 9. And then trying to generate folds on the turn. And if I go larger, he won’t have enough behind for a turn jam to mean anything.

Ideally we are deeper and I can c/r to 80 otf and jam turn for pot or more.
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03-05-2019 , 02:06 PM
fair enough that makes some sense, the line looks strong for sure

but if he never folds the flop , then he's gonna be in for 57, and only having 87 behind

I wouldn't imagine getting many folds on the turn unless player is clueless about pot odds which I think was the case here
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03-05-2019 , 02:10 PM
That’s why I didn’t like it.

However, let’s say you have QQ and 200 behind after flop bet of 20, I raise to 80.
It’s 60 to win 120.
You call.

Turn I jam you now have 140 to win 320.
Are you still calling?
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03-05-2019 , 02:21 PM
this is very player specific , I would never raise to 7 with QQ lol

I think the main point is that folding out over pairs is possible with a line like that , but it's not really something to aim for when bluffing

I'd rather have his range filled with air, draws, some AX , if your ranging him on strictly over pairs, he shouldn't be folding to a half pot bet OTT

so basically , you have more FE vs weaker ranges and those are the spots that you should be looking to attack
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03-05-2019 , 04:05 PM
That makes sense.

Now that I’ve thought about this more it should be a call bc he will probably bet small on the turn and allow me to overrealize my equity with my draws.
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03-05-2019 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dtrain555
That’s why I didn’t like it.

However, let’s say you have QQ and 200 behind after flop bet of 20, I raise to 80.
It’s 60 to win 120.
You call.

Turn I jam you now have 140 to win 320.
Are you still calling?
Assuming there is no money in preflop (unlikely with QQ, but ok), then after your raise it would be 60 back to me for a pot of 160 (37%). I would have 140 left. If you jam the turn then it's 140 for me to win (160+140+140 = 440) (32%). For 32% equity, it would depend on the board and what your bluffing/value-owned % is.
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