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03-25-2013 , 01:01 AM
As I walk into Caesar's at 4AM, I roll up in my Soul SL-300 headphones cancelling out the noise of these rowdy idiots. As I sit down this indian around 28-35 years old is trying to hit on every girl at the table even the dealer. He's being obnoxious and I'm ready to punish him with impunity.

I get dealt AQ immediately, 1st hand in.

I bet $12, obnoxious indian calls, BB makes it $24, I snap call so does indian.

Flop ($73): AK3

BB checks, I bet $45, mr. obnoxious makes it $90, BB folds, Hero is thinking about shoveling. Thoughts?

Last edited by ExpectedV; 03-25-2013 at 01:02 AM. Reason: Villain has $250 I have $200
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03-25-2013 , 01:05 AM
yea well, you put 1/2 your stack in and villain sounds wasted(is he)
shipping it seems fine.
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03-25-2013 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ozmosis313
yea well, you put 1/2 your stack in and villain sounds wasted(is he)
shipping it seems fine.
he's not wasted.. yet
does his sizing concern you at all?
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03-25-2013 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ExpectedV
he's not wasted.. yet
does his sizing concern you at all?
He could have a set of 3s but I'm not folding. I doubt he's folding here so just shove and get value from aj, two pairs, a10, etc. I guess if u think bluffs are in his range then flat
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03-25-2013 , 01:21 AM
Check flop. As played flat and c/c any turn.
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03-25-2013 , 01:23 AM
I think this is a good spot to min raise-click it back. this might enduce a shove from his air, and it will ensure you get stacks in by turn.
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03-25-2013 , 08:08 AM
grunch: call him down

if you're really into it to make a statement and want him to feel dominated emotionally, i don't think a shove is out of the question. you're probably ahead. but feelings aside, this is a case where i'd be more inclined to let a villain value-own himself and just call him down the rest of the way even if he gets it all in somewhere along the way. you probably keep his weak A's in and any bluffs.
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03-25-2013 , 08:31 AM
I like that you bet out here, especially since the BB checked after the min bump PF. I might have gone slightly smaller just in case the BB wanted to c/r us and we need to fold out in that case.

As played, if you have another bullet in your pocket, I would go ahead and min bump so he can feel empowered to be the first one all-in. If you lose you will get plenty of action going forward unless he gets tossed (or hooked) by one of the girls. GL
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03-25-2013 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
He could have a set of 3s but I'm not folding. I doubt he's folding here so just shove and get value from aj, two pairs, a10, etc. I guess if u think bluffs are in his range then flat
I didn't know what to think against this sizing to be honest. I did think maybe to just call to keep everything in his range but that's a very general thought.

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Originally Posted by SABR42
Check flop. As played flat and c/c any turn.
Why are u checking flop?

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Originally Posted by ozmosis313
I think this is a good spot to min raise-click it back. this might enduce a shove from his air, and it will ensure you get stacks in by turn.
what sizing is considered a minraise at this point?

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Originally Posted by 85chickasaw
grunch: call him down

if you're really into it to make a statement and want him to feel dominated emotionally, i don't think a shove is out of the question. you're probably ahead. but feelings aside, this is a case where i'd be more inclined to let a villain value-own himself and just call him down the rest of the way even if he gets it all in somewhere along the way. you probably keep his weak A's in and any bluffs.
I don't mind calling him down oppose to shove because i don't want to fold out some hands I beat or his air range (if he has any).

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Originally Posted by answer20
I like that you bet out here, especially since the BB checked after the min bump PF. I might have gone slightly smaller just in case the BB wanted to c/r us and we need to fold out in that case.

As played, if you have another bullet in your pocket, I would go ahead and min bump so he can feel empowered to be the first one all-in. If you lose you will get plenty of action going forward unless he gets tossed (or hooked) by one of the girls. GL
I think a smaller bet would have been better too, because spr is low anyway. I have another 6 bullets in my pocket so that's not a concern. Do u guys really think there's a difference in min raising back or just shoving?
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03-25-2013 , 10:37 AM
Beware the click back raise at llsnl. Even obnoxious tools wake up with a hand. That being said...I don't put him on AA/KK, no 3! Pre. He could have AK, chances are it's a smaller Ace, Ace+gutter etc etc. I know its a 3! Pot but I don't think ranges were very narrow pre. I think there is merit in shoving only bc c/c could get ugly if the board gets worse, not that I expect him to be ahead, just that calling stands to become difficult with board run out. Shoving eliminates that and you stand to be ahead. His flat calling pre both times leaves you ahead here frequently. You have the bullets in your pocket so shovel away. The hand is just easier to play by shoving. I sometimes lack the fortitude to call barrels all the way.
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03-25-2013 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Check flop. As played flat and c/c any turn.
Yes. Yes. And Yes. Drunk means primitive thinking. He will try to push and you oblige and win a big pot that he is going to build for you. If you show any aggression, then he will actually stop to evaluate. If he outflopped you (set of 3s or AK) or out-draws you, then so be it.

And yes, it would be easier to play if you shoved.
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03-25-2013 , 04:47 PM
Incoming fish opinions!

Pre-flop: Two calls by the villain make me think he doesn't have AA/KK. AK is possible if he's a generally passive player, but any AX, middle pairs, KQ/KJ/etc type hands could be in here as well.

Flop: I'm guessing the BB's TT or JJ missed, and he's sad right now. Regardless, I am not sure if I want to bet. I think our top pair is good, with AK and 33 being the only real threat out of the variety of things he could have. That being said, our top pair is still only one pair. I probably c/c on the flop. As it is, I am probably with SABR42 on this one.

If we shove on the flop, the only things that call us are things that beat us, and the things that fold are things we likely beat. If you were the villain and had AJ or worse facing our shove, would you call? If you had AK or better (AA/KK/33) would you fold? I don't think we gain much at all with the shove.
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03-25-2013 , 05:07 PM
We are not villain, or the OP would most likely be "mackin at caesar's showing off my big cajones." I like a call
-down line here as well. If he checks back turn what do we do? Shove river unless it runs out like TdJd?
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