So you guys wanted me to pot control turn with QQ last week on 954r7dd instead of betting and facing a shove being forced to fold so I tried it today

$440 effective with BTN (stationy middle aged bald guy)

Hero $15 red AA in MP,
BTN (very loose rec) calls,
SB fish ($100) calls

Flop ($45): 9h8h3s
Hero cbets $30, BTN calls

Turn ($105): 4h
Hero checks, BTN quickly bets $65, Hero calls

River ($235): Jc
Hero checks, BTN asks if I checked, dealer says yes and he announces all in ($330)

I tank and ask him “show if I fold?”, he instantly says “No! Gotta pay to see.”

Why does this happen to me everytime?



Bonus question: Very next orbit, MP raises $5, 4 calls, I complete J6dd in BB.

Flop ($30): QJ7dd
Checks to V from above in CO who bets $15, I & MP1 call

Turn ($75): Kd
I lead $30, MP1 folds, V now raises to $90, I shove for $305 total and he tank folds

Bad shove?

Fold the aces for sure.
I think the shove is totally fine.

It happens to everyone. Why do all you posts seem so gloomy? Your decisions are generally well thought out and this hand is pretty well played. Work some on your mental game

I probably size bigger on these types of coordinated flops, 35 or even 40. Turn check is fine, vs this particular guy i could see myself barrelling small tho, maybe like 45ish.

River seems a pretty easy fold, we block the Ah but he's loose enough to have many other flush combo's, and he could easily be valuebetting wider also, since we are pretty capped to 1 pair hands. And it's hard to have a natural bluff, i guess 67, but that's about it.

If he shows up with a bluff here, make a mental note to trap him sometimes with flushes in these spots.

Bonus question: I probably let this go from the BB, would call J8s+. Turn shove is fine, allthough i might flat sometimes if he showed a bluff in H1

Any tendencies on post for V? Flop and turn are fine. River vs an overbet shove this deep meh either way, but when he responds instantly like that probably leaning towards a fold. You should also have a good amount of flushes when you check here ott and otr.

H2 is pretty ez fold pre. flop is standard. and turn is not a donk, ap shove is fine i guess.

I didn’t really pay much attention but saw him call flop call turn on some A6547 board and then shove river in position. Nothing too unusual.

But he’s def pretty loose pre.

Against a pro or agro player I probably call but against middle age bald guy station I’m laying it down.

It’s really hard to pot control OOP in general unless you are deep.

Yeah maybe I should just start l/rr UTG instead of getting into these turn spots a huge % of the time.

I wouldn’t get money scared with aces just because you are running bad in the short term. If you are getting into these spots all the time you are probably just running bad. Feel free to LRR in wild degen games but in general it’s just going to be obvious you have a big hand.

+1 to all of this

Against a station-y middle-aged guy, you played it fine if you folded river. I can't see his shoving with worse than two pair. Against a different type of player I would have played it differently.

The shove in the second hand is OK, but you are only getting called by better unless V can't fold a set/two pair or the naked A. It's fine, though, because there are quite a few cards you don't want to see on the river.

Fold Hand 1. Hand 2, Maybe you can just hesitantly flat the raise and check blank rivers? He may try to barrel you off your hand- I'm not sure if he read your turn donk as weak and is trying to use his image to his advantage here.

Open 10 pre AAh. Call. Call.

983hh. Ck. 15. Call. Fold.

Turn 4h. Now imagine how much easier this is to play. Ckc ck-decide, bet-call ck-decide etc.

This hand is also entirely different than the QQ hand.

Ding.

Ding.