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1/2 7 Handed 46s on the Button 1/2 7 Handed 46s on the Button

03-19-2014 , 10:32 AM
Hero (200) has the same image as before, maybe a little bit tighter because i was completly card dead.
Villian: Lost a lot of money against the asian guy and didnt play his A-Game.
Saw him 3 times overbetting the flop with good/made Hands, can make laydowns but also wants to gamble because he is behind 600. Calls and limps way to much preflop

The two Fishes and the asian from my post before, limped in.
I raised on the Button with 46s to 15. I like suited connectors and gappers. Is this a leak to raise here?
V call
other fold
Flop: 763
checked to me and i lead
for 25
Turn is a 3
I secondbarreld to 50 as a Semibluff.
Is this spew? Put him on a 7 or maybe a pair or a draw.
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03-19-2014 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lordofklock01
I raised on the Button with 46s to 15. I like suited connectors and gappers. Is this a leak to raise here?
Yes, it's a big leak. Raising larger suited connectors, like 89ss, can be profitable if we have fold equity PF. In other words, if no one is going to fold to our PF raise, then we should limp behind or just fold (folding is best with 4s6s).

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Originally Posted by Lordofklock01
I secondbarreld to 50 as a Semibluff.
Is this spew? Put him on a 7 or maybe a pair or a draw.
Yes, it's spew if you think he has a 7... he's not folding a 7. Again, we need fold equity if we're going to be bluffing.
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03-19-2014 , 10:54 AM
If you don't believe that raising preflop here will narrow the field...then yes this is a leak preflop. Should be limping behind and hoping to hit a good flop.

I don't mind the double barrel...if he calls here, he's not folding out to a bet on the river so I'm checking behind on the river. Plenty of fish call with 2 overs on the flop so think your range for him is too narrow...
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03-19-2014 , 10:56 AM
I would tell OP to fold pre. Someone a little more skilled may be able to play this profitably post, although it's going to be hard to do against zero FE players.

The second barrel as a semi-bluff I do not like (BTW, this feels more like a pure bluff even though we have outs to a straight). We should be barreling for value against this guy only. I'm checking turn and hoping I catch my 5 OTR, or it goes ch/ch.
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03-19-2014 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
I would tell OP to fold pre. Someone a little more skilled may be able to play this profitably post, although it's going to be hard to do against zero FE players.

The second barrel as a semi-bluff I do not like (BTW, this feels more like a pure bluff even though we have outs to a straight). We should be barreling for value against this guy only. I'm checking turn and hoping I catch my 5 OTR, or it goes ch/ch.
Think by showing weakness on the turn and checking....villain who is stuck and willing to gamble is going to put you to a tough river decision here and bet. Why not continue with the story and able to see a cheap showdown on river?? If a 5 or 6 comes out then you can comfortably make a good sized bet on river....
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03-19-2014 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by OSUTexan
Think by showing weakness on the turn and checking....villain who is stuck and willing to gamble is going to put you to a tough river decision here and bet. Why not continue with the story and able to see a cheap showdown on river?? If a 5 or 6 comes out then you can comfortably make a good sized bet on river....
Villain is stuck and willing to gamble doesn't exclusively mean he is putting anyone to a tough decision. Could mean he is being to stationy. Could mean many other things. Regardless, I'm not too worried about a gambooooly V owning me when I am holding second pair or w/e. I'm not too worried about most V's in LLSNL owning me. If he makes a bet OTR and we don't improve fold it up and move on to the next one. This guy is probably going to give us so many great spots to get value out of him. I'm not betting the farm and telling a story to a guy who never folds with second pair horrible kicker. I don't usually advocate "wait for a better spot" ... but this is one of those situations where we can wait for a better spot. Oh and hero in this hand is not a poker genius (sorry OP). He should be focusing more on his value range rather than bluffing and semi-bluffing this guy.
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03-19-2014 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Villain is stuck and willing to gamble doesn't exclusively mean he is putting anyone to a tough decision. Could mean he is being to stationy. Could mean many other things. Regardless, I'm not too worried about a gambooooly V owning me when I am holding second pair or w/e. I'm not too worried about most V's in LLSNL owning me. If he makes a bet OTR and we don't improve fold it up and move on to the next one. This guy is probably going to give us so many great spots to get value out of him. I'm not betting the farm and telling a story to a guy who never folds with second pair horrible kicker. I don't usually advocate "wait for a better spot" ... but this is one of those situations where we can wait for a better spot. Oh and hero in this hand is not a poker genius (sorry OP). He should be focusing more on his value range rather than bluffing and semi-bluffing this guy.
Fair enough....

Given V's description it's probably safe to check here. Against a somewhat competent player...they are pouncing all over weakness shown on turn. Agree at 1/2 the focus should be more focusing on a value range though. Which would coincide with he should be folding preflop.
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03-19-2014 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Villain is stuck and willing to gamble doesn't exclusively mean he is putting anyone to a tough decision. Could mean he is being to stationy. Could mean many other things. Regardless, I'm not too worried about a gambooooly V owning me when I am holding second pair or w/e. I'm not too worried about most V's in LLSNL owning me. If he makes a bet OTR and we don't improve fold it up and move on to the next one. This guy is probably going to give us so many great spots to get value out of him. I'm not betting the farm and telling a story to a guy who never folds with second pair horrible kicker. I don't usually advocate "wait for a better spot" ... but this is one of those situations where we can wait for a better spot. Oh and hero in this hand is not a poker genius (sorry OP). He should be focusing more on his value range rather than bluffing and semi-bluffing this guy.

+1

When a station or donkey shows us that they refuse to fold anything to us barrelling, then i usually have exactly zero bluffs against this guy. Because he isnt going to fold any pair or any draw, so we are burning money to fire against these guys and then we get angry/frustrated when they indeed station us down. What did we expect?? Have patience, wait for solid hands- and valuetown this guy.

I am in the Phil Hellmuth camp here against people who has no fold button: just show them the nutz, over and over and over again.
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03-19-2014 , 12:46 PM
Grunch:

I don't think this is the spot to raise with 46ss. Overlimp or fold. Let's exploit our opponents propensity to not fold when we smash the flop, not by trying to blow them off their hands pre with a crappy hand.

On the turn I'm checking behind and trying to get to a cheap showdown. He's never folding better, and shouldn't have a huge range that is behind us and will still call. I see no reason to continue bloating this thing.
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03-19-2014 , 04:54 PM
I don't think the PF raise is a big deal IF you're confident that you will steal a lot of pots. If you can narrow it down to 1 or 2 players you'll often steal on the flop, and if there is a chance you could take it down PF then the raise might be profitable.

A turn bet is spew though IMO. Mistakes like betting in this spot could be enough to make your PF raise unprofitable.
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03-19-2014 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by OSUTexan
Fair enough....

Given V's description it's probably safe to check here. Against a somewhat competent player...they are pouncing all over weakness shown on turn. Agree at 1/2 the focus should be more focusing on a value range though. Which would coincide with he should be folding preflop.
There are very few somewhat competent players playing 1/2 NL that will pounce over weakness shown on the turn.
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