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1/2 - 5 way Flop/Turn line/decision check w/ATo 1/2 - 5 way Flop/Turn line/decision check w/ATo

04-03-2016 , 07:31 AM
Perhaps not the most interesting hand, but I keep on thinking about it because of my line, what cards to barrel etc.

I'm in MP with £650. Table was very deep, lots of stacks above £400. My image is solid to nitty TAG. Was quite card dead, didn't play many flops, but when I played them I played them aggressively.

Pre flop:

I hold AT I'm in MP.

UTG limps, I raise to £10, HJ, BU, BB and UTG call.

Flop: (pot £51)

6TQ

BB & UTG check.

Now I think we have the option to bet or check/fold here. Given there are 5 players, x/f would probably have not been bad, but I elected to bet. Betting gives us further options on turn/river incl. x/f later, double/triple barreling, x/raising. I feel we have decent equity with the A, and (although weak) bd flush/straights. Given board runout and villains action I'm confident we can win on later streets often enough. Table was passive except player to the left of me (HJ) who spewed around every now and then.

I guess we also have the best hand a decent amount of time. I feel that my image also would set me up perfectly for DB, TP.

Given all this, I feel that betting is the better option, but I'm not sure. Like to hear your opinions. Also if you have anything to add regarding betsizing.

I bet £35, HJ fold, BU calls, BB & UTG fold.

BU has only been playing for 1 hour or less at the table. Never seen him before. Very passive, saw him checking a semi-nutted hand IP on the river. Quite solid, doesn't get out of line/bluff. Hasn't really been tested yet against double/triple barrels. I don't mind his call here. It could be any Q, strong Ts, flush/straight draws, gutshots, maybe something like A6x. I think I'm ahead a good amount of time, but would need to evaluate.

I think I'm ready to check it down and go for showdown against him. I don't expect him to bluff a lot, even if I show weakness.



Turn:

6TQK (pot £121)

Now that's an interesting card. It does hit his range, it does hit my range. I can't really figure out whose range it hits more. What is more though, it is an absolute scare card, and I do like to bet scare cards. Because 1) it gives me folds more often than enough (from Qx f.ex) 2) Even if they call, it's often not that hard to figure out whether V likes the card or not, depending on how he calls/how much time he needs etc. The tendency at my games is that players call quite light flop and turn, but then get scared by the river and have to fold a lot because their hands were too weak OTF/OTT in the first place. I've recently started to track every single river bluff/triple barrel I make, and the amount of money I win from these is quite insane. (I'm quite careful that I have a strong-nutted range though). We also have the T, which might often be good if another club comes.

On the other hand, we're OOP with a very marginal hand and don't really know whether V has improved or not, so shutting down and x/f might be best? The card definitely hits his range, but it simultaneously makes the other part of his range weaker. Thoughts?

When I'm unsure, I like to bet though.

I bet £70

I think we can win the pot here often enough. Even when V calls, we can gauge the strength of his calls and thus have perhaps the chance to take the pot away on the river. I believe this bet is +EV and thus better than x/f, but again, I'm not sure. If a comes otr I would x/f to decent sized bets and perhaps x/c smaller bets, given the read that he didn't bet semi-nutted hands before and I haven't seen him bluffing. Wouldn't expect him to bet 8high flush otr.

I think that sums up my thoughts on the hand, or at least what I can remember. Still can't figure out whether I should just give up on F or T.
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04-03-2016 , 08:30 AM
I don't care for ATo in middle position. If I played it over a limper, I'd definitely raise more to try to buy better position, rather than playing it multi-way OOP to most of the callers.

AP, I c/eval flop. Too many players in position on us, and this board hits their flat PF range well. If a bet were small and/or floded around to us, I might c/c, since we have some SDV and this board is good for semi-bluffs, but I'd usually be c/f.

Never betting turn here. You will 100% never be called by worse, and that card improves his hand way more often than it scares a bare Q. If the read is that he's not going to bluff, just check and fold if he bets, take a free card if he checks.
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04-03-2016 , 08:47 AM
Cbetting here is spew, check flop.

You're 5 way with middle pair on a 2 broadway + fd board w/o position and your backdoor flush is ten high. There isn't any turn card in the deck you're excited to get money in other than a ten. I think your betting range here should look something like strong value hands and combo draws.
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