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01-29-2018 , 10:41 PM
V is lag and has been running over the table. He seemed decent and has tripled his stack. We played two hand HU.
Hand 1: I raise he calls IP, I miss and cbet he calls, turn ck ck, river ck fold.
Hand 2: I raise he calls IP, I miss and ck ck, turn ck ck, river I hit an A and ck call his bluff. "Knew you had an ace" after I called

Hand
HERO ($160) JJ UTG+1 $10
V (covers) BB 3 Bet $25
I call.

Flop ($51)
789r, V checks
Normally in 3bet pot I would see a cbet. I was totally caught off guard with this check. Over pair trap or AK miss?

Check raise would be gross, so it's check or shove?
Without the gut shot check seems better?
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01-29-2018 , 10:57 PM
I see a lot of villain checking in those hand histories to be calling him a LAG. I would bet this flop after he checks.
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01-29-2018 , 11:08 PM
am I the only one 4 bet ripping JJ against a 3 bet from a lag with 80bb???
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01-29-2018 , 11:11 PM
serious question^^^

I always buy or rebuy for atleast 150 big blinds

I feel like with 80 bb this is an easy shove I could be wrong
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01-30-2018 , 12:25 AM
stacks are $135, pot is $51.

In terms of options:

Shoving - This option is awful. You will only get called when losing.
Checking - keeps pot small. If you check, you are looking to check this down or call one bet on the river.
Betting - This likely takes it down vs. air but risks a c/r vs. a big hand.

In summary - I think on this board, i'm going to try and check it down most often, occasionally bet/calling against bluffier V's. It's very hard to bet and not call it off here, so if you do bet, be prepared to call.

Last edited by Starpoker; 01-30-2018 at 12:35 AM.
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01-30-2018 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooo13zzz
am I the only one 4 bet ripping JJ against a 3 bet from a lag with 80bb???
This.

As played, checking flop. The prospect of getting any value seems dismal. I sort of want to bet just to deny equity, but he's a LAG and getting checkraised would be extremely unpleasant.
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01-30-2018 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Citizenme
Check raise would be gross, so it's check or shove?
This makes no sense btw and is a common (at LLSNL) confusion between hard decisions and -EV spots. The worst thing that can happen if you're checkraised is getting stacked by a better hand, something that is completely guaranteed to happen if you shove. You're just removing the ability for him to bluff.
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01-30-2018 , 01:53 AM
Put in another raise pre-flop, not going to let a lag make a cute 2.5x raise against this premium a holding and like others have noted we are only playing 80 bigs

I'm betting the flop after v checks, just not expecting him to trap with qq+ that often and there is just too much value/equity denial to not go for something.
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01-30-2018 , 10:50 AM
Pretty sure we can gii PF here, but other than that agree with checking it down but mainly just because we won't get anymore value here as mentioned...do any smaller 4Bs here get jammed on and we don't mind gii that way PF? just a question to ask...
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01-30-2018 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Starpoker
stacks are $135, pot is $51.

In terms of options:

Shoving - This option is awful. You will only get called when losing.
Checking - keeps pot small. If you check, you are looking to check this down or call one bet on the river.
Betting - This likely takes it down vs. air but risks a c/r vs. a big hand.

In summary - I think on this board, i'm going to try and check it down most often, occasionally bet/calling against bluffier V's. It's very hard to bet and not call it off here, so if you do bet, be prepared to call.
This was spot on and would have been the right.

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Originally Posted by ChrisV
This makes no sense btw and is a common (at LLSNL) confusion between hard decisions and -EV spots. The worst thing that can happen if you're checkraised is getting stacked by a better hand, something that is completely guaranteed to happen if you shove. You're just removing the ability for him to bluff.
This was helpful and clearly shows me why my line of thinking was flawed.

I shoved for four reasons
1) 3 bet was small and felt weak
2) No Cbet
3) I didn't want do deal with a check raise (which he would have knowing the results)
4) I thought I may have some FE and would never be drawing dead

He called with AA and held.
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01-30-2018 , 11:56 PM
Small 3 bets aren't weak. Small 3 bets are AA/KK from bad players. They dont want you to fold if they raise too much. Not too mention hardly anyone playing 1/2 3 bets with less than AA/KK anyway.

I saw it just today at 2/5. I raised $25 after a limper with ATs and got 3 bet to $50. I folded, but someone else called. The guy had AA.
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01-31-2018 , 02:18 AM
BB 3bets heads up against UTG+1 is pretty strong. We don’t want to shovel money in pre here.

As played neither option is great but I check
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01-31-2018 , 09:47 PM
Check flop. See what the happens on the turn.
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