Been out of poker for about 4.5 years and doing some line checks.

no real reads on Villain, he's an Asian guy in his 40s or 50's and recently sat down. Seems on the tighter side but haven't seen him in many hands. I was away when he won a pot to get to $400. ($400)

Hero is young white guy who's been pretty tight. Aggressive when I'm in a hand. ($900)

V limps UTG2, V2 raises to 6, hero calls otb with 87s, BB calls, V calls

Flop is As6s3s ($21)

BB checks, UTG2 bets 5, fold, Hero raises to $30, BB folds, V calls and says "I call one time".

Turn is 8h ($81)
V checks, hero...?

Seems likely V has a big spade. B/f $60, imo. If called, b/f river for about $100.

Yep, standard bet/fold spot.

im betting ~65 for value and hope to GII before the fourth spade to appear.

pardon me but i dont get why this is a b/f, we have a flush and just because he said one time we are already folding? he may have a set or Ksx.

So hero bets 55. V thinks not too long and raises to 170... Hero?

Looks like most think it's a fold. Any arguments for calling or shipping?

I was thinking 50, 55 is perfect Imo not too low/hih blah.
Fold now imo

I am confused by his "I call one time". I know people can lie/give off reverse tells, but I have never seen or heard someone with KsXs on this flop give that tell.

I think I have to call it.

Just reaffirming how out of it I am at NL:

Folding to a raise here is standard with a flush?

Bet/fold $60, feels like a pair + NFD type hand.

Edit: Saw turn action, still stick with my read (which is to say, we don't have one). Might be a bit nitty but whatareyagonnado?

I can't find a fold to his raise here. There are many hands we beat he could be doing this with.

:grunch:

$65

Check raise on the turn is a super strong line. The story he is telling is that he has a flush. We only beat 3 flushes (and oddly enough they each have 1 out to improve to a straight flush). Players simply don't get out of line very often like this so in order to make this call you would either need to peg villain as a crazy gambler or a bad player that is overplaying a made hand.

He did this when the 8 came out so sure it's possible that he could have a hand like 8s8x or Ax8s I suppose and this card improved his hand but aside from that the 8 is essentially a blank and it's far more likely that he was slow playing a big hand on the flop. AxKs is more likely to raise the flop than turn (if at all).

This is actually a great example of why you shouldn't slow play a flush. A call on the flop and a check/raise on a blank turn enables your opponent to play perfectly and fold even very strong hands where if you just take a strong bet bet bet line with a flush you will get 3 streets of fat value.

(btw, i didn't realize villain initially did bet this flop which makes his line even stronger as he is check raising a raiser)

Speech about chasing followed by aggressive action is almost always what the V considers a monster. Even if that's" any flush" for this V, they almost all beat us.

Yep. Folding is gross here, but villain is Not Bluffing.

You're going to have to commit another $300 to find out whether he is Not Bluffing with a set, top two pair, a smaller flush, or a bigger flush. Sets and top two are discounted, since most players know to be scared with those hands on this board. There are a lot more flushes that beat us than there are flushes that we beat.

You have no fold equity and you're usually going to be way behind. Make a comment like "my ace is no good?" then quietly muck your hand.

If you folded turn WP.

Unfortunately I didn't fold and v had KTs.

The tell is doing that and then getting aggressive. You have to put them together. That speech followed by c/f the net street was legit a chase. Aggressive action without the speech could be a semi-bluff or a set. Together, they are pretty much always something that the V thinks of as the nuts.