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1/2 200 BBs 3 way with J10ss [Squeeze] 1/2 200 BBs 3 way with J10ss [Squeeze]

02-12-2013 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Dwans Son
You think this is spew then you should check out OP's other threads. The 84off hand is quite a doozy.
I remember that one from back in the day!

haha
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02-12-2013 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Calamity
After reading all the comments I have a couple more questions and I'll post results after I ask them.

What $ do you put on a squeeze here with the action before?

After the flop bet, what % of the time are you auto shipping turn?

I think I made a mistake by not firing the turn.






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Hero called and tabled J10
Vil sighs and tables QQ

I don't understand why he doesnt bet the turn here other than to C/R me. I guess the hand was played badly as seems to be the consensus post-flop. I'll see if i cant tighten that up.

Because he thought u had KK or AA and that u would bet the turn for sure
As I said this line looks a lot like QQ - 10s and he tried to trap-

be happy u checked back because the money got in with the better hand
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02-12-2013 , 01:11 PM
GRUNCH

- I like just calling pre with great position and a great multiway hand. That said, I think the big raise is ok but not a standard practice.
- Flop really couldn't be better for you. Over cards, a gutterball draw and a flush draw? Your bet needs to be bigger though. $160 feels right.
- Again, short of hitting your hand, I don't see how this could be a better card for you. You bought yourself 3 more clean outs. I probably shove here.

River is a call.

EDIT: I missed the part where you checked behind the turn. I don't think that's the line I would take, but it seems ok with a billion outs and position. That's the purpose of getting a free card sometimes.

Really liked ANL's logic for shoving the flop. I think I disagree somewhat though because it seems to scream AK and I think it makes a TT-QQ call easier. I like a big-ish flop bet that allows >$180 shove on the turn.

Also, kind of a sick shove by V. Stupid, but sick.

Last edited by hfrog355; 02-12-2013 at 01:21 PM. Reason: Catching up
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02-12-2013 , 01:25 PM
preflop and flop are pretty bad vs std live players ranges IMO, especially since you think is fairly solid. you are basically only foldign out AK in this spot IMO.

if you want to me elaborate on why its bad I will but, I think you already know why.

look for better spots to make these plays, this is not one of them IMO, I am a victim of this too sometimes looking at a pretty hand and 3betting but not for any real reason.

think about how this hand went down and then think about given stack sizes and a solid players UTG range, how this hand plays if you just flat on the btn with a hand like JTs.

you sort of ended up in the best case scenario in this hand so I think you might be feeling like this is a better play than it really is.
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02-12-2013 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
I don't get what you think is wrong with the flop, no reason to overbet there. Stack sizes + hand strength make that the most reasonable bet, IMO. I agree with the rest, especially shoving the turn.
i just think you want to boost your fold equity by going about 2/3 -- about 150. for instance, you'd really like AK to go away here so that you're not facing a tough turn situation if the wrong card comes. so many players who put that much money in pre will peel one for that sized bet, and our plan should be to max our fold equity. i just don't think 115 gets it done here. that said, i do think it's the most forgivable street in this hh.
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02-12-2013 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Pompeius12
be happy u checked back because the money got in with the better hand
wow, this is so results oriented. there was definite, definite fold equity given his range on the turn.
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02-12-2013 , 02:23 PM
my first post was shove turn

after doing some pokerstove I was not so sure anymore especially because he is blocking with J10 a lot of the combos he is beating and he needs to get them to fold like 100% to have an edge here.

QQ is very likely because AsQs, AsKs will probably shove the flop

and QQ, AsQs are never folding on the turn

Asks will have a hard time as well

so ANL said shove flop that is probably the best move
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02-12-2013 , 03:16 PM
I don't think I can get on board that AsQs and AsKs will probably shove the flop. They certainly could, but there's no reason to think they probably will IME.
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02-12-2013 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by hfrog355
I don't think I can get on board that AsQs and AsKs will probably shove the flop. They certainly could, but there's no reason to think they probably will IME.
Alright! I am not arguing here.

So might shove the flop but it really doesn`t matter if or if not because AsQs is calling turn shove and AsKs is 50/50 so just more reason to check behind. QQ 6 combos JJ 1010 6 combos and if u think there are more hands in his range then tell me which
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02-12-2013 , 09:00 PM
Shoving turn is pretty bad I think. He is folding like 0% of the time.
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02-12-2013 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Fonkey123
Shoving turn is pretty bad I think. He is folding like 0% of the time.
we dont need him to fold that much considering we have 15 outs on the river

id shove turn because hes going to fold TT, JJ, and any hand he floated with. there is also a chance that if we bet more on the flop, he'd fold KK.

QQ and 99 is all he's really calling with and 99 will have raised flop a lot
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02-12-2013 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
we dont need him to fold that much considering we have 15 outs on the river

id shove turn because hes going to fold TT, JJ, and any hand he floated with. there is also a chance that if we bet more on the flop, he'd fold KK.

QQ and 99 is all he's really calling with and 99 will have raised flop a lot
He will also fold TT/JJ to a river shove.

If the river bricks hell think "he waited for a safe card to shove his Aa/kk"

If river completes flush hell do the same.

He will also fold missed fds.

If you shove turn he will call with FDs and you have terrible equity.

Trust me on this one.

Hand is played fine btw
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