V1 is UTG with (440$): We've played a few hands this evening and hes shown 5 hands. 3 being good holdings that scooped but not absolute. Hes the typical 'I look like I came from the internet player' with hoody, earphones, etc. I scooped a pot from him earlier when I 3bet him light with A7ss and he was only caller the flop came XXXss and he c/c and i led blank turn for half pot and he folded.

V2 is in the HJ with (~360$): I have no real reads on him besides 1 hand we played together, he seems a bit spewy when I watch him call alot of raises but just fold to cbet. Dunno if its run bad or what.

Hero is OTB with (~410$) with J10ss.

Action in hand follows assuming other 4 players fold as they did

V1 UTG raises to 13$[standard]
UTG 1 call
UTG 2 call
V2 call
Hero makes it 62$ to go
V1 calls
UTG1 / 2 fold
V2 calls

FLOP (~238$): 9s 7c 2s
V1 checks
V2 checks
Hero bets 115$
V1 calls
V2 folds

TURN (~568$) Qh
V1 checks
Hero ??

Information please?
Cbetting this flop not profitable at all?
What about betting the turn as well?
Check to control pot for free card?

GO GO!

Really nothing to do but ship it on the turn. It's the only way we win the pot without hitting our draws and it tells a consistent story that we have a very strong hand (queen doesn't scare us).

Not a huge fan of the preflop raise considering we have a hand that plays well multiway and have position. Maybe a raise like this from the button would work at 1/2 but in general I think it's super exploitable to a 4bet raise by a typical 'I look like I came from the internet player'. Albeit, I have no clue what your table image is.

Check back turn, and shove all rivers I think...

Ship turn. Unless he has a set or kk+ or qxss, he will have a very hard time only if he's even a little competent. Ur hand looks like qq+ here. I hate the squeeze pre though especially wih that many callers. Llsnl just HAVE to see a flop even if they had to risk 20% of their stack with a sc. I would only try a squeeze here if up against 1-3 villains and if I knew villains open light AND can fold pre. Most llsnl villains don't fit that category so I think 3bet pre is spew

As played I would ship the turn as well. You are representing QQ+ which is afraid of the drawy board.
I think Villain is almost never playing KK+ here because he had like three options to announce that (preflop reraise, flop reraise, turn bet). If he is trappy he might has QQ and is waiting for a bet on the turn after hitting a set. More likely he is playing JJ, 1010, 88 or AK, AQ where he has a flush draw as well. Many hands that will fold unless he is a complete fish and even then...

J10s plays really well multi-way here

as played, you are telling a consistent story, if your going to ship you need to ship the turn.

if you check back the turn, and ship any river that isnt an 8 or a k, your hand is going to reak of AK or whatever air villain may put you on

Is it me or does V1´s range look terrifying here? Raise/call to 31bb preflop UTG?

I just think I take the free card and fold the river when we miss. He is never folding and I think we are mincemeat.

In relative terms, the flop bet looks weak, like whiffed Bdwy cards. Since you are trying to tell a story of having huge hand (given your 3bet), wouldn't you have bet more on the flop if you actually had a premium pair?

QQ is a big part of his range so yes maybe really depends how competent V really is...

Few thoughts.

1) Flop bet looks suspiciously small/weak. If we're repping a big pair, we should have bet larger on the flop with 2 players in the hand and 2 spades.

2) What range do you put V1 on? Someone mentioned it below, but I'd be cautious about the guy who calls your 3-bet pre, then c/c the flop bet with someone to act behind him.

3) I probably check behind on the turn here. Given V1's action so far, I'm a little wary of what he's got and don't want to put more money into an already sizable pot. We've got several draws on the river and can re-evaluate when that card hits.

You don't give us any reads about the squeeze, but, in general, I don't like the play much in a five way pot, it's too likely you will be called.

I like the flop lead, 1/2 pot is a good amount, too.

Turn, if you think he can lay down a decent amount of his range here (AK, JJ, TT) then it's probably a good shove. If you think he calls with those hands or his range is mostly AA-QQ,AQ then just check behind.

I would shove.

Hero checks back turn for free card. I wanted to bet really bad here but I figured if he called the flop hes already had some piece of this board and If not he does when the turn hits I suppose I just couldnt pull the trigger feeling he might look me up and get our stacks in. (Leak?)

RIVER (~568$) Ks

V1 ships
Hero?

Are we ever good here? I have around 240-250 when he ships and he has me covered by a small amount so now it looks like I'm calling ~250 to win ~810 but is he ever doing this without the nuts after checking the turn?

Thoughts and evaluation on how Hero proceeds?

He has one combo that beats you in his range here.

Not one hand, one combo.

The odds mean that you can lose most of the time and the call is not only correct, it´s obligatory.

If you are going to 3bet squeeze with TJs, you have to accept getting overflushed when it happens.

sorry, but I think the whole hand is spew..You got lucky, in the sense of seeing a flop/turn that gives you some equity in the hand, but for FFS you have position and JTss plays so well multi-way and horrible to 3bet against an UTG raise.

Are you EVER thinking about wtf the UTG raises in EP and flats a 3bet with pre?

take a free turn card and call/bet if you hit a non-spade out

Uhh, insta-call???? KK/QQ/KQ/AK so, so much more likely than a flush.

Instafold river vs Internet players...they only play the nuts and you aren't getting good pot odds....wait wat?! R U SERIOUS?!?

You think this is spew then you should check out OP's other threads. The 84off hand is quite a doozy.

Back to the turn: against a range of QQ-1010, 88, AsKs, AsQs you have 36%
when I remove the 88 32% so shoving is close because he will be folding JJ and 10s most of the time but there are only 6 combos for that. 6 combos of QQ and 2 combos for the nut flush draw. I dont think he will be folding any of these.

8 combos (60%) u will get called with will win 75% of the time so u win 25% times 60% = 15%
6 combos (40%) will fold say 75% of the time so u will win 30% here on the turn and when u get called 25% of the times u will win 1 in 3 for another 8%

so u will win 15%+8%+30% = 53% of the time but u will win less on the turn for 30% and u will lose more on the river when getting called.
So either u have a good read or u actually have to just check the turn back If u think his range is wider (AX) than shoving is better

River u have to call but u will run in a higher flush a lot

Um only aqs beats him unless he's calling w **** like a3s-a8s

KK, KQ, AK like almost never 5%

QQ possible say 35%


So yes it is a call for sure but I`d say more likely a flush than not

this is harsh, but i think he's right. i think by making a play to just take down the dead money pre with a great multi way hand like JTss, you're costing yourself money in the long run because when you flop big, so did someone else and you can play for stacks.

then, once you took such a strong line pre, you pansied it up on the flop, with barely a half pot sized bet.

then, once you GAINED equity on the turn, you forfeited one way to win the pot by checking. sure, you might up against a set, but you could also be up against AK, JJ and TT, which you can get to fold out. and if you're called, oh, well. if you take a stab on the flop and get called, and gain outs on the turn, that's even MORE of a reason to push hard AGAIN on the turn.

on the biggest OMG of them all, you HIT and consider a FOLD? that, my man, would be the ultimate spew. hopefully you figured this out.

I don't at all disagree with this, but they're still part of a range here. I agree the weighting tilts towards value hands and away from "I has top pair" like AK, but KK/QQ are definitely a decent sized part of the range here, so large that folding is terrible.

I don't get what you think is wrong with the flop, no reason to overbet there. Stack sizes + hand strength make that the most reasonable bet, IMO. I agree with the rest, especially shoving the turn.

What is your goal on this flop? What are their ranges and can we possibly accomplish our goal?

Im shipping the flop for my goals.

(also keep in mind that you may or may not be able to do this due to a tight image or non-overbet image, but i think an acceptable line regardless)

Note: If you just bet, you are working counterproductive to the goal IMO. Take a free one, or ship it. Bottom lime is that you got he best flop you can get, and now you need all the FE you can generate --and have a hand that you are completely comfortable with if they find a hero call with JJ TT etc. Betting would be godawful as they never fold for a bet. Ever. 20% FE here is a landslide victory for hero.

After reading all the comments I have a couple more questions and I'll post results after I ask them.

What $ do you put on a squeeze here with the action before?

After the flop bet, what % of the time are you auto shipping turn?

I think I made a mistake by not firing the turn.







-- Results





Hero called and tabled J10
Vil sighs and tables QQ

I don't understand why he doesnt bet the turn here other than to C/R me. I guess the hand was played badly as seems to be the consensus post-flop. I'll see if i cant tighten that up.