V1 seems to be pretty solid, thinking player- came over from the tournament in the room, so maybe not perfectly adjusted to cash games. I've seen him donk a river when a four card straight completed, heads up to push a weak player off TPTK (V1 had a missed gutshot/overcards). No other significant reads.
He starts the hand with £450

V2 is seriously fishy and has been drinking- by this point he's seriously struggling to count out chips to call.
He starts the hand with £125

Hero has tight TAG image- hardly limped at all, fairly large PFRs and had the goods at showdown, not been caught bluffing. One significant hand that may have affected V1's decisions: I called (after tanking) a turn shove with TPTK. I had 3bet someone I put on a standard TAG range with AK preflop (he called). When he raised a A72 flop, I couldn't work out what villain can have that beats me so called it off on the turn.
Hero has both villains covered

On to the hand:

Preflop
Hero is SB with K K

UTG folds
V1 raises to £6 in UTG+1
fold
fold
fold
V2 calls on BTN
Hero raises to £28
V1 calls
V2 sloppily calls

Pot: £85

Flop:
8 8 7

Hero bets £60
V1 thinks for a bit and raises to £140
V2 quickly ships his last £97

Main pot: £339, Hero needs to call £37 more (to make £376)
Side pot: £43, Hero needs to call £43 more (to make £86)

V1 has £280 behind (Hero covers)

Hero...?

I never played 1/1. This looks super deep stacked. I'm not putting in my stack with one pair unless I have a solid read of a bluff(I guess I am). Because of this, position, and the drunk guy I don't mind a smaller pfrr. If you were 100bb's deep it's good. I generally have a low opinion of tournament players.

On flop: I bet smaller. I'm trying to keep the pot small. As played this is such a sick spot. Are you going to stack off 450bb's with KK vs AA post flop? I wouldn't 4bet aces pre here as villain.

With 380 in pot and 340 from you being a shove, **** it's so sick. He calls with all better and maybe flush draw with oc and folds worse. If you shove I doubt he calls with TT. If you call you could have the flush draw getting almost 5:1 from pot so if turn blanks maybe he'll keep betting TT. I guess call and check any turn.

Yeh, it was getting straddled to £2 half the time and PFRs don't differ hugely from 1/2, maybe £6 as standard from a TAG rather than £8.
So we were effectively ~250BB deep in those terms.

I think I made a mistake with the hand history, I think the flop was rainbow actually.

Do you think he's raising anything we beat for value here?

Also, I think he plays more straight-forward here with the fish still in. My PFR was intended to isolate and my Flop bet to GII vs the fish really.

"seems to be pretty solid, thinking player"

This is really the key. How often have I had this read and then seen him over play a bunch of hands or undervalue hands badly or whatever?

Absolutely he can have worse but he shouldn't, esp on a rainbow - makes it easier for him to just call flop with QQ, etc. With fish in he shouldn't be bluffing much but he can still raise with a worse pp or raising a draw.

Yeh, one thing that complicated his range IMO was that he could be trying to push me off KK+ with TT-QQ in order to get heads up against the fish's weak range. (Not sure if he looked like he was calling- fish was a bit of a station and had tells)

middle and low paired boards are not good for bluffing when there has been a pfrr and only 3 handed. Why would he raise trips or a boat? We have to put his raise on a str8 draw, a random pp or AA? We think he's solid but couldn't he be an idiot?

I guess if he's solid he should have AA or a draw, no? If he's not really solid we include pp's, and and more bluffs, yes?

post results later pls.

If its not good for bluffing, why WOULDN'T he raise with those value hands? It looks like I've got a big overpair and lots of people cannot fold on this board with one- why wouldn't he fast play trips/boats?

Also, as we're so deep, his implied odds are enough (he's calling £20 to potentially win £450 and he's in position) that he can have some suited connectors and smaller PPs here.

He shouldn't fast play because he has position and fears only 2 outs and has a player left to act who might come along(edit: and you still could have AK). He shouldn't bluff because he is much less likely to have a set or 2 pair(w non-pocket pair) so that opponents with big pp's are not folding and love this kind of flop.

This is why we're saying he shouldn't raise with pocket tens but just call. Semi bluffing a draw is the furthest I will go if he is solid, and not to knock out an overpair but just to get you to fold AK types/give a free card on turn.

He can have them preflop but raising them post flop, except maybe the open ender, is horrible. If he's set mining and missed he should get away or does he have a psychological need to win every hand he's involved in? If so, he is horrible and not solid.

Yeh- I completely agree that he's rarely bluffing here. He can have two open-enders but that's about it (not sure if he always raises them). I don't think he tries to win every pot (live, that's just bleeding money) though I have seen him caught bluffing in a couple of spots. I think that may have been because it was vs another reg with history, though.

Yes, I can still have AK (not betting that much, if at all, on that board with the fish, as it happens but w/e) and that's all he fears outs-wise with an overpair but I'm folding it to a raise.

He's not getting value from AK and I think it's easier to stack an overpair on the flop typically, just because with fewer community cards there are less combos that beat one. Granted position does mean he can see if I'll do some of his betting for him.

Seems like a good time to post the results:

I folded, figuring that V1 cannot be bluffing and cannot be value raising less than AA

The dealer runs turn and river as a T and a 9 (no flushes possible)

V2 holds 8c3c
V1 holds 98o

Thanks for posting results.

Congrats on the fold.

I guess I should have asked about his pfr at 1/1, if it was a standard strong raise being 6x, or if it was a pot builder raise like 3x at a 1/2 table. You talked about this a bit but I should have gotten it very clear in my head.

I guess we have to add some notes on this player. Does he make this type of raise and call only when deep? He can make pot building pfr's way oop and stupid-loose call rr getting worse than 2:1. In my view his gambliness goes up and solidness goes down.

Tough spot. I would call. It's unlikely we will be blown off our hands considering small side pot. I would expect a lot of turns to go check check. I think calling is a little better than shoving, but I like shoving too.

I agree that we are unlikely to be blown off our hand, hence why he's probably not bluffing. What do you think he raises the flop with (presumably for value) that we beat?

Given we're OOP, I doubt both streets go check check and we've only got a PSB behind.

Thanks very much- the villain was pretty astonished that I had folded an overpair, which is interesting to note.

Yeh, I'm not 100% on what preflop sizings are appropriate or what they mean to villains yet at 1/1 tbh.

Agreed, he made a point of saying he was calling £20 to win £450 so he's thinking but still overestimating implied odds.

When I started playing live I would always fold polarized flop raise only to have V show me TT-QQ everytime because "they put me on ak and knew I had nothing". Usually their line is a chk/ship OTF.

This is a different line and V would have to have massive balls to turn TT+ into a bluff vs you to isolate the fish. IF V really is solid I'm probably folding, you'll see his cards anyway.