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1/1, flopped trips deep in straddled pot 1/1, flopped trips deep in straddled pot

07-08-2022 , 06:26 PM
UTG straddles
UTG +1 raises to 11bb (400bb)
Co calls (150bb)
Hero calls on button 97ss (500bb)
UTG calls

UTG +1 has played a few times capable of bluffing even though I don’t think much

Flop J77chh (45bb)
UTG +1 bets 15bb
Co fold
Hero calls
UTG fold

Turn J77chh 8s (75bb)
UTG +1 bets 55bb
Hero calls

River J778chhs 8d (185bb)
UTG all in for about 319bb
Hero ?

Is this just a snap call

Last edited by Garick; 07-09-2022 at 08:43 AM. Reason: bet size
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07-08-2022 , 07:01 PM
I don't love it but I guess I'm calling. I fold pre though to this comically large raise so I'm never in this situaion.
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07-08-2022 , 07:15 PM
Sick spot. I think I fold and don’t feel that bad about it.

Do you know if he slowplays flopped monsters? Can we rule out JJ?
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07-09-2022 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
I don't love it but I guess I'm calling. I fold pre though to this comically large raise so I'm never in this situaion.
sorry maybe the way I wrote it but UTG straddled so it was 5.5bb
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07-09-2022 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Grease
Sick spot. I think I fold and don’t feel that bad about it.

Do you know if he slowplays flopped monsters? Can we rule out JJ?
Im not sure of he would. from what I've seen I still think he would bet JJ. what hands when we get to the river are we going to call with ?
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07-09-2022 , 11:10 AM
Noob perspective:

Seems like a bit of a loose call pre, even on the button. I caught that there was a straddle. 11 is a pretty big open nonetheless. Nice flop.

I wonder if a raise is worthwhile on the flop or if that's overplaying trips.

Pretty sizable bet from the opponent on the turn, call makes sense here, no need to go nuts when one of the more plausible semi-bluff draws (T9) gets there.

The river overbet is super polarized. Could he be badly overplaying a hand like AJ, or an overpair or straight, or turning them into a bluff? Or a missed flush draw? How many 8's really end up here? JJ is of course possible, and probably would take this line, but there are only 3 combos of JJ, maybe a few of plausible 8x hands.

Your hand strength is also somewhat disguised, given that you just called on previous streets, maybe he thinks you have a mediocre Jx that he can blast you off of.

I think this is a call for me, given how many more combinations you beat than combinations you lose too.
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07-09-2022 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AceDeuceSuited
Noob perspective:

Seems like a bit of a loose call pre, even on the button. I caught that there was a straddle. 11 is a pretty big open nonetheless. Nice flop.

I wonder if a raise is worthwhile on the flop or if that's overplaying trips.

Pretty sizable bet from the opponent on the turn, call makes sense here, no need to go nuts when one of the more plausible semi-bluff draws (T9) gets there.

The river overbet is super polarized. Could he be badly overplaying a hand like AJ, or an overpair or straight, or turning them into a bluff? Or a missed flush draw? How many 8's really end up here? JJ is of course possible, and probably would take this line, but there are only 3 combos of JJ, maybe a few of plausible 8x hands.

Your hand strength is also somewhat disguised, given that you just called on previous streets, maybe he thinks you have a mediocre Jx that he can blast you off of.

I think this is a call for me, given how many more combinations you beat than combinations you lose too.
Maybe I’m making a mistake with theee hands pre ? But is 5.5x too much to call when we’re 300+bb deep ?

Yeah JJ is possible and maybe hands like 89 or 108s that he has bet flop and turn with. But also like you mentioned my hand looks very week like maybe missed flush or JX hand
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07-09-2022 , 12:18 PM
Your hand looks like a pure bluffcatcher meaning I don’t think he takes this river sizing (1.8x pot!) with worse value. Even a straight would probably size down.

My experience has also been that overbets at low stakes are way underbluffed.

So expecting to see 98/JJ a lot here.

I would probably not be good enough to fold this spot, though. Your hand is so high up in range.

Either way it’s close. Flip a coin I guess.
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07-10-2022 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
Your hand looks like a pure bluffcatcher meaning I don’t think he takes this river sizing (1.8x pot!) with worse value. Even a straight would probably size down.

My experience has also been that overbets at low stakes are way underbluffed.

So expecting to see 98/JJ a lot here.

I would probably not be good enough to fold this spot, though. Your hand is so high up in range.

Either way it’s close. Flip a coin I guess.
Yeah I agree I don’t beat anything apart from a bluff. I agree that people underbluff here too. Would you have played the hand any different raised flop or turn ?
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07-10-2022 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky
Yeah I agree I don’t beat anything apart from a bluff. I agree that people underbluff here too. Would you have played the hand any different raised flop or turn ?
I would tend to raise this flop because you could have a lot more than just a 7 with the drawy and connected nature.

77Kr or something similar I’m more likely to slow play.
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07-10-2022 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Grease
I would tend to raise this flop because you could have a lot more than just a 7 with the drawy and connected nature.

77Kr or something similar I’m more likely to slow play.
Yeah I could raise that flop. I think if another player called I would have too
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07-10-2022 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky
Maybe I’m making a mistake with theee hands pre ? But is 5.5x too much to call when we’re 300+bb deep ?
We are not 300+bb deep. DUCY?

Not that I hate the call pre, but you're only somewhat deep with the opener, given the straddle, and quite short vs CO.
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07-11-2022 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
We are not 300+bb deep. DUCY?

Not that I hate the call pre, but you're only somewhat deep with the opener, given the straddle, and quite short vs CO.
Yeah true. How deep do you want to be to call hands like this pre
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07-11-2022 , 08:19 AM
Depends on the V(s), raise size, and our position. In a passive game OTB with several callers of a normal sized open in a loose-passive game, I'll call with a suited gapper at 100BBs. In this circumstance of 200BBs deep against an UTG opener and a shortish CO call, I'd want more info about the Vs than that one of them "has played a few times capable of bluffing even though I don’t think much," but I'd consider calling.
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