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01-17-2023 , 12:00 AM

swd805

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Game is 6 handed. Game is match-stack and plays deep closer to a 1/2. Villain is a fish, loves to chase draws, very high vpip but low 3b. Dont have too much other info on him its early in the session, he reloaded quite a bit already so hes stuck at this point. OTTH.

Effective stacks are $400
V UTG opens to $12 (his standard open is from $10-$15)
H CO raises to $35 with A

Folds to V who calls
Flop K

Pot is $72
V donkbets $20
H raises to $60
V calls
Turn is 5

V checks
H ???

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01-17-2023 , 12:59 AM

crackedaa

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I'd definitely bet turn big and reevaluate river. Based on description he's chasing losses hard, won't fold turn with 2p, sets, pair+oesd, pair+fd. I can't decide on my phone how bad he is, but you might still shove brick rivers for value. The board blocks many of his flushes. That being said you need to fold if he x/r turn imo, he doesn't sound like a guy to turn QT or something into a bluff.

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01-17-2023 , 01:15 AM

twitcherroo

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Didn’t see the flush come in.

Probably bet smallish. ~$60 or so.

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01-17-2023 , 11:47 AM

swd805

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Originally Posted by crackedaa

Are we able to weight his range one way or another based on the donk bet? Also the sizing he used which was less than half pot. Thats the main reason I posted this hand because I dont know exactly how to interpret the donk bet. In a similar spot next time I am raising his donk bet to 4x or maybe 5x. I think the raise to $60 missed a little value.

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01-17-2023 , 12:52 PM

swd805

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Also, isnt betting and fold to a c/r on the turn a bit of a disaster?

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01-17-2023 , 02:07 PM

donkatruck

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I was in this spot about 5 times last night. I'd make a straight or a set or top 2 on the turn and overbet or c/r overly large. Get called. Flush comes in bet small jam fold. These were by barely sentient players where I was 95%+ confident there were not making a move.

Not sure what you can do. If player is very straightforward and bad maybe just check.

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01-17-2023 , 02:16 PM

fatmanonguitar

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I wouldn't worry too much about flushes. He has a lot more than this in his range. The board blocks a lot of his likely flush combos based on preflop action.

Your line is also c/w nut flushes.

Getting raised would suck only if V is raising more than made flushes. If he is unlikely to, then it is an easy fold.

Most Vs would actually lead flush turns.

I'm good with one of two lines:

1) bet turn smallish, call raise if he is likely to semibluff. Call brick rivers or value bet if checked to.

2) check back turn. Call river or bet if checked to.

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01-17-2023 , 02:42 PM

Javanewt

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I don't want to lose him on turn, and I also don't want to face a check/raise, so I check. Will he stab at the river w/ worse? If so, I don't mind a check turn, call non-diamond river. Bet $60 on river if he checks (unless it's a diamond).

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01-17-2023 , 03:47 PM

QuadJ

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One mistake here was the sizing of your flop raise. You sized it based on villain's bet size but that donk was very small. This is a common mistake in the face of small donk bets. When it comes back to him it's $40 for him to call in pot that is $152. Any legitimate hand is calling.
You need to size your bet relative to the pot. It will be $112 once you add in the calling part of your bet. If you want to stick him with a 2/3 of the pot size raise you need to make it $90/$100. That is the $20 to call plus $74 to be 2/3 of the new total then round off.

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01-17-2023 , 05:07 PM

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swd805

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Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar

Yeah this makes a lot of sense especially with his donk bet. I am sure he can do the small donk bet with FD but hes more likely to c/c with one. I checked the turn but in hindsight should have gone 1/2 pot or so. River was another diamond and he bet $120 I folded.

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01-17-2023 , 07:04 PM

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crackedaa

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Originally Posted by swd805

I can't read anything into the donk other than that he has some piece of the board. If you look it like that you miss some value because he's snapcalling most hands vs this small raise. On the other hand you keep all his hands in, many of them are drawing very thin, you retain more positional advantage and can still easily gii by the river at this stack depth. I like this more than going ~100. If he were on proper monkey tilt chasing everything then going 150 and shipping turn is nice too. You can gii vs the draws and pair+draws that probably fold river unimproved.

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01-18-2023 , 05:45 PM

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hitchens97

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Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar

I think you're right on both lines good, though I slightly prefer 1.

My one caveat is we're shutting down if the river is 4th diamond.

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