Edit: playing $2/$5.

Villain in this hand is a younger guy, probably early 20s, really running over the table. He opens or 3bets nearly every hand he plays and is crushing people. Villain's stack is sitting around 1500. He seems really solid, haven't seen him be an absolute maniac in any sense of the word.

Hero has been mostly quiet for the last hour, not a single playable hand to be had. Still, got it in good earlier and am sitting on $1100.

Hero is dealt JsTs in the cutoff.
2 limpers.
Hero raises to $35.
BTN folds.
Villain in the small blind 3bets to $115.
Folds to hero who 4bets to $400.
Villain tanks for awhile and calls.

Now, I was definitely making a move here, but I figured it had a pretty high chance of working based on how much he was 3betting (probably a solid 35% of his hands) and how many hands I hadn't played in the last hour. But, he calls and we see a flop.

Thoughts on this move? Is this way too spewy? I felt like it was a good play and that I may have just picked a disastrous time as he clearly had a pretty good holding.

Pot: $812 (accounting for rake)
Flop: KsQs8d

Villain insta-jams.
Hero calls.

So basically here I was certain he was sitting on QQ. Literally no other hands in his range here, I don't think. AA and KK would have shipped pre, AsKx would likely look to check/call, but maybe not.

I'm just about 50/50 to win here, how bad did I play it?

Bad hand to 4bet. Could call IP and semi deep. Borderline hand.

As played wtf are you gonna do man

Why not just limp, let V open wide, then play him IP? The easiest way to dismantle this type of V is to just wait for a decent hand. This is often boring & sometimes might not happen in a session, but if this guy is dictating the pace of the game then let him. We either need to get into really high SPR pots in position when we can make a monster hand, & bloat up the pot pre for a low SPR when we have premium holdings. My 4b range vs this type of V IP would be ~(99-AA/ATs+/KQs/AJo+) I don't think we really need to balance all that much unless we play with V on a day to day. His errors will come from calling off lighter when he realizes we're adjusting.

As played I'm either a slight favorite or a slight dog, and am fine with calling down on this board.

I do agree it's a bad hand to 4bet, but I sensed weakness. Clearly my senses were off lol.

Raising pre to isolate the limpers is thin in this spot. But I think it`s ok, could go either way.

If we 4bet, I would make it 270ish and plan on barreling it off postflop on good runouts. This sizing gives us the option of betting twice Postflop. Thus, we are putting the maximum pressure on him and get away cheaper if he shows aggression.

I understand the sensing weakness and wanting to attack, but you can still attack that post flop by flatting IP and having more options in your tool box to take the pot away.

JTs plays too easily/is too strong post flop to be turned into a bluff here pre flop imo

wtf is that 4/bet and sizing? make it something reasonable atleast like $280 if you're going to

iso is good, 4bet is bad, always calling his 3bet, obviously calling now

This isnt threadworthy. Leveling against a reg is somewhat standard as far as its probably stupid but could be worth it for the meta aspect. Flop you have equity vs any hand and he shoved so whats the question?

Question was mostly about sizing, wasn't sure if it was too absurdly big and looked bluffy. Obviously never folding the flop even if he shows me top set.

I'd call the 3! Pre and play the hand IP. J10s has a lot of playability on a variety of board textures and you'd be HU IP. Not that the hand is too "strong" to turn into a 4! bluff, but if you're attacking V simply because of his 3! frequency I'd rather use some weaker holdings to 4! bluff. As for sizing I'm with the others, $270-$300 is plenty, $400 is way to much. As played OTF, you already know it's an easy GII situation. You got pretty much the best possible flop while still having J high.

The main issue with preflop sizing is it's too big relative to effective stacks. If he shoves you will have $700 to call into $1500. Even if his range to shove is as tight as {KK+ AK} you are priced in to call. So you are effectively betting 220bb to win 25bb. You can imagine this is easily exploitable even if V does have a loose 3b range. This is why if you were going to 4b at all ~300 or even a bit less would be better -- it forces V to defend with some of the junk he is 3betting (or fold too often making your 4b bluffs profitable)

The other issue with 4betting preflop is that JTs plays fine against a loose 3b. If you were going to 4b bluff a hand something like A6s would be better. You have an ace blocker making his AA and AK a little less likely, and it plays poorly postflop so you don't want to flat the 3b with it.

This would be my approach as well. According to the read, when hero opens, we fully expect a 3-bet to follow. If free money is coming your way, prefer to escalate with hands that often win at showdown.

The 4bet sizing is just LOLbad. Villain may be 3betting light, is he 3betting light the card dead person who hasn't opened in an hour? I doubt it. You have a hand that plays well as a call, either limping behind or just calling the 3bet.

The 4bet sizing is just so so bad

This is how LAGs make their money - getting TAGs to spew off almost 100bb preflop with JTs

Limp or raise pre is ok (35 seems kinda big even with 2 limps?)

Just call V in position with j10s all day

Made a really reckless preflop raise, that needs to see a flop to get any equity. Fortunately for you, the flop gave you quite a few draws, but even then, any club that shows up that isn't an Ace or Nine means you won't won't always have the best hand. AGreed with pretty much everyone above me.

i think we need to say it like it is - OP this hand is a lot of button smashing. mostly because you just keep saying stuff like "i sensed weakness." 4bet sizing is really horrendous. i would expect even a bad LAG player to have a pretty narrow range here given that he continued vs your 4bet sizing. it just doesnt make a ton of sense for him to spazz with a set here, but i could be wrong.

you really dont need to have any 4bet bluffs in LLSNL. you dont need to be 4bet smashing with JTs in position when you are 200+ bb deep and IP. i would probably flat his 3bet, and sometimes just fold. i would 4bet like almost never.

If villain is running over this table that extremely and is in the SB, I would not raise with JTs. Just limp, he'll do the betting for you and you can play it in position and possibly multi-way.

it is not terrible. he is going to lay down lots of junky hands that he 3!s with and nothing wrong with taking down free money.

But since you had position, why not just flat the 115? Did you sense him as weak and decided that it was the right time to make a move?

wow 4b sizing, just going to make a cool 80bb here ip... all right bro.

this is such ridiculous spew it really is LOL worthy. you 4bet a sb 3bet from a solid player that can see you are sitting there folding every hand. you said he's not a maniac so his 3bet range from the sb is not light. this is such a clear and easy fold. you leveled yourself.

this 4bet doesnt look like you're making a move, it looks like you're on tilt trying to play back at him. JTs is a perfectly reasonable hand to see a flop IP with, just call the 3bet and be happy about it. As played i mean obviously get it in, just sucks that by doing all this you left yourself with 1 street to play. You might as well be 20BB deep instead of 200 now.

Agreed with most of the comments. The results aren't even that relevant here. He is ahead of you slightly < 100% and you are playing for implied odds if you hit your flush or straight (and possibly get counterfitted).

Results anyway for the lols?

He called obviously and I bet villain turned up with air to justify him playing back with JTs.

Almost 0 chance v jammed with air. If he did he's one of the worst players of all time, this flop hits a lot of hero's 4 bet range (rather what should be hero 4 bet range.) Set of Queens is most likely what he has, maybe overplayed AK, maybe KK.

Preflop is questionable at best, you probably just spewed due to being card dead. Best way to beat these villains is to just wait for strong hands imo.

As played you 100% have to call it off.

Knowing how often this guy is 3! you are just wasting your hand/position by raising/4! This guy is going to try to steal the limps so l/c and play a multiway hand IP.

As played what the hell else are you gonna do? You're either gonna hit or brick but stack is going in.