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well, this could be a screwplay well, this could be a screwplay

03-04-2012 , 06:09 AM
haven't played a hand for a few weeks, but here's one i remember:

folds to sb who raises - his raise signifies a strongish hand, because he has a completing range as well as a folding range. he tries to be tricky.

i've got smallish red suited connectors

flop kxx, all clubs, i pair one of the smaller cards
sb checks, i bet, sb raises, i call

sb could have a made hand or a strong draw

turn x, not a club
sb checks,
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03-04-2012 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Pid Koker
haven't played a hand for a few weeks, but here's one i remember:

folds to sb who raises - his raise signifies a strongish hand, because he has a completing range as well as a folding range. he tries to be tricky.

i've got smallish red suited connectors

flop kxx, all clubs, i pair one of the smaller cards
sb checks, i bet, sb raises, i call

sb could have a made hand or a strong draw

turn x, not a club
sb checks,
In holdem' I never fold quad X no matter how small X is. I also disregard the rank of my kicker and bet

If all the X are different their ranks are probably relevant.
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03-04-2012 , 08:48 AM
His line reeks of a flush or some other monster. I probably check the turn and call most rivers (probably folding Ax or a club). Bet/folding the turn seems like a close 2nd.
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03-04-2012 , 03:14 PM
because you asked

something like k 8 4

I've got 8 7

Turn is 2
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03-04-2012 , 03:35 PM
I think I just bet again to get value from AX that C/R'd the flop and is now hoping for a free card and if he raises again I feel pretty comfortable folding.
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03-04-2012 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Grease
I think I just bet again to get value from AX that C/R'd the flop and is now hoping for a free card and if he raises again I feel pretty comfortable folding.
I feel the same way. I'd check behind the river to spades or unimproved (non spades).
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03-04-2012 , 08:18 PM
I check the turn. Call the river if he bets. If he C/R'd the flop on a club draw it might induce him to bluff the river. Pot is pretty small in this case. He can show up with other hands that beat you as he doesn't necessarily have to have a flush draw. He's not folding with a made hand either except maybe if a club hits the river .
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03-05-2012 , 12:55 PM
I'm betting the turn as the last $ I put into this pot UI.

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Originally Posted by adios
I check the turn. Call the river if he bets. If he C/R'd the flop on a club draw it might induce him to bluff the river. Pot is pretty small in this case. He can show up with other hands that beat you as he doesn't necessarily have to have a flush draw. He's not folding with a made hand either except maybe if a club hits the river .
For this line to be correct, you assume that his river bluff range outweighs his turn call range
I just don't see that to be the case, but better reads would help. Obviously his range that has us crushed matters not since we lose 1 BB with either line.
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03-06-2012 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BeakWetter
I'm betting the turn as the last $ I put into this pot UI.



For this line to be correct, you assume that his river bluff range outweighs his turn call range
I just don't see that to be the case, but better reads would help. Obviously his range that has us crushed matters not since we lose 1 BB with either line.
Let's not forget villains turn check raise bluff/semi bluff range. I mean if hero is going to give up if hero's check raised on the turn then that should be taken into account in my view and I realize that the frequency of semi bluff C/Rs is probably low. Also if a club comes on the river hero may be able to bluff himself.
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03-07-2012 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Let's not forget villains turn check raise bluff/semi bluff range. I mean if hero is going to give up if hero's check raised on the turn then that should be taken into account in my view and I realize that the frequency of semi bluff C/Rs is probably low. Also if a club comes on the river hero may be able to bluff himself.
That probability isn't high enough to tip the scale IMO, unless OP has reason to think otherwise.
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03-07-2012 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pid Koker
because you asked

something like k 8 4

I've got 8 7

Turn is 2
if the turns checked to u bet here
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03-09-2012 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ...one...
if the turns checked to u bet here
Upon further review after thinking about this more I'm positive that I the line I stated is horribad. I agree that the C/R bluff frequency is low but a worse problem with the line I stated was that it encourages the villain to bluff more in a situation where hero is not going to call on the river. Villain is probably not ever going to bluff often enough on the river to justify a call and encouraging a bluff is going to cost hero more money because the pot still won't be laying hero enough for a call and villain will just win it more often with a bluff.
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