I also don't see what the big deal is. I can argue folding, limping, OR raising KJo 5 off the button. I advocate raising in this particular situation. If you think it's going to be a limpfest OR coldcallfest, limp. If you're going to get punished by good players behind you, fold.

This, IMO, is a gem of truth that has not received nearly the love it deserves, if it's received any love at all. (I'll admit I glossed over a bunch of stuff that seemed to be directed solely at preflop.)

The 5 here is actually a terrible card in the sense that a whole bunch of hands that you beat on the flop - 65, 53 - just pulled ahead of you. A lot of hands better than you on the flop - 76, 54, 87 - now cannot be pried from their owners' cold, dead hands for a million bets.

The number of worse hands which call is dwarfed by the number of better hands that will call. The number of better hands which fold (note ace highs now have a gutshot and are in the "never fold" category) is also dwarfed by the number of better hands which call. Thus, do not bet the turn.

As for check-folding vs. check-calling, I think there's a legitimate debate. KJo isn't reverse-dominated by many hands on this board (as opposed to a T75 board where JT, J7, and KT are common hands which now reverse-dominate you). If someone were aggressive enough to bet one pair on this board, we have a legitimate case for thinking we have 6 outs and 1-2 BB in implied odds. As presented, we're actually just shy of what we need, so it's check-fold, but we're a stone's throw from check-call here.

Check the flop, and call for one bet.

As played, bet the river.

Why is everyone going nuts about preflop?

Cali- say we get to see the turn here. 5 is, as you say, a very bad card. C/f.

What would be a good card other than a KJ?

A 2?

If you raised pre and checked the flop, then you could bet a Q?

8,9,T are not good.

Looks like the turn is a c/f most cards.

lol @ folding KJ 7 handed in what is likely a super soft game. 9 handed, I def fold in majority of games.

This. On to the next thread...

I agree. The question was post flop.

late grunch

pf good
flop c/c
turn c/f
as played bet the river (a lot of ppl in these games call to the river hoping to spike their ace. if you check back you loose to his ace high so your FE is good here in that regards and he might even fold - but rarely - a deuce, 4 or 5, 33 or even 66)

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