Trying something new, if you read this thread don't post in similar medium stakes thread.

Player opens 3-4 off the button, button cold calls (his range is top 100%). Expert sb calls and we call bb 10-6o. Flop is 10s 7d 3s. Checked to button who bets, Sb check raise and we 3 bet, both call.

Turn Jh, I bet, button calls and Sb check raises...

Fold preflop? I know you and a lot of people here who likely play better than me defend lighter than I do, but this hand is just ugly.

I fold pre-flop. I've read on here that at 7:1 you can defend plenty of hands from BB, but 10-6o is not one of them IMO.

I don't usually call T6 off preflop here, but I also think it's fine getting 7 to 1. Given that OP is a very good player, I bet it is +EV.

The problem here is because SB is an expert, he probably knows your range is full of Tx and thus the J is basically a scare card for you. And that would seem to militate calling down from the raise.

As a low stakes player, I'll post my thoughts on the hand.

I would probably call preflop, especially if button plays 100% of hands, since I would enjoy playing hands against him.

On the flop, I have been betting out recently with top pair. I love to check raise, but I keep running into very passive tables where a flop like this will check through, and then the turn is often a card higher than my top pair, and I'm not happy. So I'd rather get money in while I'm ahead and hope to hang on. If preflop raiser raises, then I'll call hoping to hit on turn since that pretty much always means he has a big pair.

If I have a read that button is not just loose preflop but will stab at any pot, then I can go for a flop c/r, while still being cautious to see if preflop raiser bets out (which typically would be a c-bet with overcards, or a big pair). When it checks to the button who bets, now I want to c/r, but SB beats me to it. Again, this is scary at the low limits. SB is described as "expect", but an expert low limit player is someone who plays very tight, and bets when he has it (or has a good draw), so a c/r from a low limit expert often means top pair or better. If I know his range includes lots of draws (e.g. flush draw, which is possible ehre), then a 3! is possible for me. I'd be shocked if anyone else at the typical low limit table would c/3! without at least 2 pair.

The turn J is the next problem. I hope that didn't hit SB (at least the flush missed), but when he checks, I would bet out, being happy if I take it down right then. When he c/r, again I need a read to decide. Anyone at the low limits who has raised twice (both flop and turn) always has it. If he is very aggressive, betting lots more than top pair, then I can see a call.

Summary - this hand was not played like any low limit hand. There are so many decisions that are not typical of low limit play even before you get to the point where you ask the question about what to do on the turn c/r.

call turn but fold river spades

Can someone please explain what "top 100% of range" means? Thanks

It means: his entire range.

OK lol gotcha

This is an interesting hand. But for me it's a fold pre flop. I know a lot of hands become playable at 7-1,but this surely isn't one of them. Ez fold for me.

But it's still an interesting spot, let's play Devils advocate.

To make that raise from the SB shows a lot of strength. But you say he an expert, so he could be a bluffing. You're 3! also shows a ton on strength. But I think you turned your hand into a bluff. I would have called and reevaluated the turn.

As played I think you have to bet the turn (as a bluff). The SB turn raise scares me tho. I would have to shut down at this point. A check raise into 2 players is just too much strength for our hand to handle.

Good post.

Bet the turn with second pair as a bluff??

How can you guys keep saying this? You can pry my T6o out of my cold dead fingers

Hell, Im pretty sure I'm defending T6o like 90% of the no matter what the action is for one bet

they're all probably correct
they should fold pre flop
because
they turrible @ pokerz

Well did you 3 bet the flop for value?

I didn't play it, but yes, I assume it was for value, not betting top pair as a bluff...am I missing something here?

Let me read thru again, maybe I'm missing something. I just don't know/think our hand is strong enough to 3 bet here.

Well I don't know that either, but I can't imagine "bluffing" on a dry board with top pair. You're certainly not likely to fold out anything better.

Chillrob, it is ok to have a very narrow range of bet/fold with your value range.
Here the bottom of my value range would be exactly this T6 and even better because i would fold T6o pf.

Problem is, we do not really know what our range is.
Do we 3bet pf 99-88 here for example or do we call all our range pf ?

If you have worst hand to 3bet the flop with than T6o , it is wrong to fold the turn ( maybe not the river) or it was a bad 3bet in the first place on the flop.

I think i just call the flop and reevaluate the turn.
My hand here has much more value for a c/c range than a 3bet value range .
I mean this board got a lot of draws so we have a very vulnerable hand despite having top pair.
It can get outdraw easily without saying we have the worst top pair .
it even might be a fold on the flop imo because of RIO.
we have bad relative position from the field vs the expert so we are not closing the action on the flop.
seem to me too many factors tip our hand for not having a good hand to 3bet the flop

Has played i think i fold the turn, we again are not closing the action .

A button who is playing 100% range is likely to bet this flop a high percentage of the time with less than top pair. The sb knows this and will probably c/r anything he's willing to continue with to get heads up.

I don't hate the 3-bet. I also don't hate the turn bet, but here I'd probably fold. And it's not bc I'm worried about the button re-raising, but bc sb can't think a hand better than tens is folding. You need a 2-way parlay here. The sb has to be semi-bluffing and the button has to have a worse hand. And even if it were just that, I'm probably calling just to improve to two pair or trips. But we can also be drawing dead to 98, and sets, plus that even when sb is semi-bluffing our equity is almost always going to be slim vs. sb and button.

That's how I look at it anyway. As for pf, I've recently tightened up my blind play quite a bit. I get that implied odds go up when bad players are in, but just decided that I don't need to be playing this kind of trash even getting 7:1. In John_Locke's case, it might very well be profitable. However, I think most players overestimate their ability to play these types of hands out of position profitably.