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Thought experiment for bluff catching Thought experiment for bluff catching

05-02-2022 , 02:24 AM
Folds to you in the CO. You raise with the standard range. A nit 3bets you on the button. Blinds fold, you call.

Flop 3.5 BB
Ah Kd 7s

Check/nit bets/ you call

Turn 4.5 BB
Ah Kd 7s 6h

Check/nit bets/you call

River 6.5 BB
Ah Kd 7s 6h 2c

Check/nit bets

What does the nit’s range look like in general?

What should your calling range look like in general?

Bonus questions: what do you arrive here on the river with that you would fold? Do you have a bluff range, and if so what is it? What does the nit’s bluffing range look like, if they have one? What is your calling range on the flop and turn?
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05-05-2022 , 08:45 AM
I don't think a nit practically ever has worse than Ax on this river.
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05-05-2022 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ___1___
I don't think a nit practically ever has worse than Ax on this river.
+1
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05-06-2022 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ___1___
I don't think a nit practically ever has worse than Ax on this river.
I don't think that's true because there are plenty of nits that play the few hands they play very aggressively, such that they would be barreling their entire range here. And aside from the obvious pocket pairs, even a nit should have hands like KQs, and maybe KJs, QJs, and JTs here.

But OP, while I get what you're trying to do with this thread, responding to your questions is a lot of busywork and I don't think very many posters are going to be interested in constructing the like six ranges you are asking people to respond with.
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05-20-2022 , 12:21 AM
figure out on which street his nittery is costing him the most ev, then devise strategy which maximizes how you seize his lost ev.

Typically nits either check the turn way too much(gives me free draw ev which facilities calling weaker draws on flop) or They check the river way too much(gives me free showdown ev on turn calls with bluffcatchers*) if you dont know which type youre against, play him like you would play vs a tag.

*relevant to this thread in particular. Some nits that will semibluff turn but have no bluff in them on river cause turn bluffcatchers to increase in value, but the crux is that its imperative we fold 0ev(otherwise in equilibrium) bluffcatchers on the river.
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06-07-2022 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
Folds to you in the CO. You raise with the standard range. A nit 3bets you on the button. Blinds fold, you call.

Flop 3.5 BB
Ah Kd 7s

Check/nit bets/ you call

Turn 4.5 BB
Ah Kd 7s 6h

Check/nit bets/you call

River 6.5 BB
Ah Kd 7s 6h 2c

Check/nit bets

What does the nitÂ’s range look like in general?

What should your calling range look like in general?

Bonus questions: what do you arrive here on the river with that you would fold? Do you have a bluff range, and if so what is it? What does the nitÂ’s bluffing range look like, if they have one? What is your calling range on the flop and turn?
Nits range Ax on river.

Kx under and QJhh unlikely based on river by NIT imo.

Calling range as HERO / OP flop & turn Ax, Kx, 33+, 7x with backdoor draws (ex hh, dd, 4 card straight combos).

I'd probably fold 33-55, maybe 7x. Maybe 88-QQ on river.


Bluff range on river as HERO / OP xxhh with no SD value probably. Maybe 7x, Kx if I think NIT has chance of bet folding Ax OR Kx.


Nits bluff range QJhh, 98hh (both unlikely based on NIT).
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06-24-2022 , 02:53 AM
Thanks for the responses. I think I would continue on the river with most ax purely because there would be nothing to call with if I folded. I do find these to be the most frustrating spots because we do so bad against a nit’s triple barrel range. Almost seems like there’s no bluffing range on the river because they are sometimes checking turn with turned heart draws afraid of getting check raised.
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06-24-2022 , 03:17 AM
If you are raising with a standard range you should fold to a true Nits 3 bet range somewhere between 50%-80% of the time. Likely slightly more here as you are OOP vs nit. Also realize certain hands; say A 10 are likely folds on the turn if a true Nit bets flop and turn on an A board. Don't pay nut peddlers. His hand range is very different than yours and if he likes an A K flop he normally has you crushed. Note if he isn't a nit most of what I wrote doesn't apply but if you believe he is play like you believe he is.
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