+1

There's a decent community of HS players who hang out in SSSH currently. There isn't a ton of strat. However, they aren't beginner friendly (with exceptions). I'd guess that you'd either have to just say "former 100/200+ players get different modding" or any reasonable beginner friendly modding would drive them off before they drove off every new poster. I could be wrong. I enjoy their posts, and having a forum of MS/HS online players seems good. One man's opinion. In Jon's breakdown, that's the new mid/high online, imo. You write at the top, "Online 2/4 and above" or something like?

I think enforcing new divisions on existing communities is a very bad idea.

If we're going to go with new labels, I would advocate a 1:1 mapping of active, existing forums onto the new scheme, e.g.,

SSLHE - small stakes live
uSLHE - small stakes online
MSLHE - mid/high live
SSSH - mid/high online

So basically, what Jon said. We take the existing 4 forums, rename them slightly, and then take all the old threads from the dead forums and move them into the history of the existing forums? No communities change because we're not actually creating or changing existing/active forums?

I used his labels, but am ambivalent about them. I wouldn't mind keeping the same forum titles with changed descriptions.

SSLHE "primarily for discussions on multiway-to-the-flop, live LHE games (typically 8/16 and under)"
MSLHE "primarily for discussions on HU-to-the flop, live LHE games (typically 30/60 and over)"
uSLHE "primarily for discussions on multiway-to-the-flop, online LHE games (mostly FR)"
SsSH "primarily for discussions on HU-to-the-flop, online LHE games (FR, 6m, or HUHU)"

If you were new, would you want the old labels? I'm honestly not sure. It seems like there is a clear labeling for the forums that is good for both old and new posters, but I can't tell you what it is. The PTB are definitely interested in what you, the users of the forum, think about this stuff. We can start a thread here as well, if people want.

I can see arguments both for and against. Like I said, I'm personally ambivalent.

I think renaming the forum risks alienating regular but infrequent posters. I also think that the micro/small/mid designations can cause confusion because uSO ~ SSL and SSO ~ MSL.

On the other hand, I agree that historical labels confuse new people and the descriptions won't generally be read. New labels may also help acknowledge the undeniable evplution of the game, and force some exclusionary communities to play nicer.

Whoa whoa whoa, there are mods in SSSH?

There is a reason Elo isn't banned more, it is because he sticks to posting in the SSSH LC thread, and bam, invisible!

I think the community there is happy with the environment. As an infrequent visitor, how could I argue one way or the other? I think that environment would drive off most micros new posters, but that's just an opinion and I can't prove it.

this

Today:

First hand:
I post in the CO, open, and take down the blinds.

Second hand:
It's raised/3! to me and I cold-cap it in the HJ and lose to top set of 9s.

Third hand:
I 3! in the LJ and lose.

Reg1 (that I play with everyday) says to another reg, "I've seen Ron do something I've NEVER seen anyone else be able to do."

Me: "it must be pretty bad..."

Reg1: "Ron can lose 2 racks faster than anyone I've ever seen. It's unbelievable, I've seen him lose 2 racks in like < 10 minutes before."

Reg2 nods his head.

Rather than thinking in terms of stakes, how about "Entry Level" and "Advanced,"

e.g uStakes forum --> Entry Level Online
SSLHE --> Entry Level Live
SSSH --> Advanced Online
MSLHE --> Advanced Live

(With the understanding that all the online players would get to laugh at and troll the people who think that years of experience playing 30K hands/year are "advanced.")

ETA: And to recap what people said in the uStakes thread: Move the LHE forums below the NLHE forums in the list in the sidebar.

I agree that something should be done. High stakes is a joke and most midstakes posters are posting in small stakes anyway.

Whatever is done, I would hate to see the composition of SSLHE posters change as an unintended consequence.

I understand that there's always some coming and going, but that occurs relatively slowly. New posters are welcomed, but soon realize (I hope) that there's a "cultural etiquette" in small stakes that's not so prevalent in other forums.

Agree that high stakes could go and no one would notice. Agree that on-line needs a designated forum(s).

I think that once the culture shock goes away, a unified small micro stakes forum could produce some very interesting conversation, especially because live players will be interpreting player stats for online play and online players will be interpreting live reads. Also, some new friendships may come of it.

That would be in a perfect forum world. In reality it may drive some potential posters away.

Whatever is done, I think it calls for an all new "introduce yourself" thread.

What if we did it like the Brick and Mortar forum does it, with general topics discussed on the main page, and subforums dedicated to the more specific topics?

Limit holdem general
subforum-online
subforum-live
subforum-Bob containment forum

Just get rid of the high stakes forum

I agree that the SSLHE community is infinitely more welcoming than any of the other forums. People here rarely troll. If it occurs, it's amongst regs.

I lurk the mslhe and sssh. From what I've seen, there are only four active LHE communities:

Micros
SSSH
SSLHE
MSLHE

Beginners online and others who never moved up
DrElo and Unguarded regs leveling forum with other HS players guest trolling
Us
Live prop forum

When you didn't have to post at the bike, I once lost a rack+ before posting a blind.

Current status.

You can basically live anywhere?

My wife had a bracket pool at work and knows nothing about basketball, so she asked me to fill it out for her. I printed out a bracket, wrote in all the teams, and then gave it to her.

Brag:
She's #1 out of 30 people.

Beat:

He plays at the Oaks, so I guess yeah.

LOL

Oaks = classy

Classy dude: "I got home last night and my wife was all like, 'why did you go to a massage parlor,' because my phone GPS said I was at one. I was like, 'no I wasn't,' and had to like cuss her out before she believed me."

Astute dude: "So were you at the massage parlor?"

Classy dude: "Hell yeah. Anyone know how to turn off the GPS on your phone?"