I know there's supposed to be another 6 but I didn't flop a set so I didn't wanna be misleading.

8/16 Commerce

I have been playing well (IMO) and my image is probably just about right. Not too loose but not too tight, but pretty aggro I suppose.

UTG limper is uber loose passive fish.

Main Villain (PFR) is a 40s asian chick who I really haven't noticed getting involved in pots so far. She raised once preflop a few hands ago, but I forgot how that action went. Anyways I'd venture that she is probably tight and kinda straightforward/TAG-fishy.


UTG fish limps, Villain raises somewhere in MP, I defend my SB with 66, BB folds (suprisingly), UTG calls.

Flop: K54r
I check (planning to check/raise), UTG checks, Villain checks.

Turn: J, putting up a spade draw

Plan?

meh, my first instinct is check/fold. idk if they check back bigger pps than yours here

higher than yours but lower than king i mean

I'd check again, I agree with the green guy , she probably has a pair higher than 6's and less than Kings.

Now if the turn gets checked through.......

btw Asian chicks age very well, she may look 40 to you however she may be in her mid fifties.

Your image should be loose and sometimes annoyingly aggressive luck-tard fish. If it isn't, you're doing it wrong, imo. People at the Bellagio were offering CaptainR money to change his flight; that, while he was up 2(?) racks. That's the image to strive for, imo.

BTW, I do love the avatar. Just watched the bonus ep in the Dollhouse DVD; she's the best.

Here, checking with the hope of checking down doesn't suck.

while true... it is hard to keep up w/ Cappy R. Anyone that has played with him realizes that he indeed an annoyingly aggro luck-tard , while I OTOH am just annoying..lol

hey doug,

has captain changed his style in the last couple of years?

i was browsing through his old threads and found one where he talked about how he enjoyed having a tighter image. his reasoning was that since he didn't think getting paid off from poor players was difficult (since they are poor players and their job is to pay off) he thought that having a tight image was better because it meant he could steal the occasional pot every session which added to his winrate.

i know that this style of thinking is sort of out of sync with how guys like you/kit/babar recommend playing (and myself since i've religiously taken advice from you guys).

so either:

1) i misunderstood what he was saying (maybe i should find the link)

2) that style was sooo 2007 and he's since changed his style

if you don't really know i can just pm him. thanks.

I'll let the good Captain speak to his own thinking. What I saw was him endlessly sucking out with small, suited hands in late position while exchanging friendly banter with the locals. They were literally begging him to stay; they were taking up a collection to pay him to stay. Given that he won in every game I saw him play, including the 20/40 Stud (iirc), it would have been a poor investment on their part.

otoh, he could have just stolen all of Jesse and my rungood and played like a fish. You'll have to judge.

How's this one? Same table, earlier. Jotted it down in my phone to post but I am pretty sure now it is superstandard so I didn't post it.

UTG limper, MP raise, LP cold caller, I defend KJo in BB.

Flop: QJ4 2 hearts
Checked to LP who bets (note not PFR), I decide to C/R, LP calls.

Turn: 9 offsuit
I bet, LP raises, I call.

River: T offsuit
I donk

nh

I'm not the expert on image, but here's my opinion:

I don't think it's worth it to change your play in an effort to change your image. Although, I do sometimes speak/act a certain way to either reinforce something people already think about me, or sometimes I do it just because it's fun/funny.

I don't think having a particular image is important. If I had to choose, I still prefer having a solid image, because I think a lot of EV comes from stealing pots. In live games, you're going to get paid off on your good hands anyways, so it's not really necessary to have people think you're always FOS, IMO. You're going to end up with an image because of the cards you're dealt, and the hands people see you showdown, and that's just the way things are.

Really, it's more important to just be aware of what your image is and then adjust your play based on it. Half the regulars I play with think I'm a nit, and the other half think I'm a ******ed-bluff-monkey. Keep track of who's in the hand, remember what they think of you, and then you can do a few things in the hand to take advantage of that.

When Doug saw us at the Bellagio, Jesse and I were basically the best players at the table, and people knew that we knew each other. Since we were doing the most raising at the table, I didn't want people to think to themselves "these young punks, they keep raising every hand, I'll teach them a lesson!" and start like semi-bluffing me or being more aggressive, and just plain doing stuff that would make my life harder. I also didn't want them to think there was any collusion or for them to have an excuse for resentment against us.

I'd rather they think, "these dumb crappy players, they're from out of town, they suck, they play bad hands, they're just plain morons". Then they would do their normal loose-passive style and it's easy to play against them. Jesse and I differ in what we want from a table -- his #1 trait is looseness. I prefer passivity. So I tried to act like a bit of an idiot, and make Jesse look like he was ******ed too. But it was mostly to try to steer them towards that (which is fine) and NOT towards "these are tough, tricky, aggro players, I'll show them how we play poker!"

Sorry to threadjack --

I'd usually fold this pre (I'm a nit). Turn, I'd just check-fold in a 4.5BB pot.